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Israelis mistaken for terrorists may be home soon
The Jerusalem Post ^ | October, 26 2001 | By Melissa Radler

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:34:53 PM PDT by Phil V.

The Jerusalem Post

Israelis mistaken for terrorists may be home soon


By Melissa Radler October, 26 2001

NEW YORK (October 26) - Five Israeli men detained in New Jersey with box-cutters, multiple passports, and $4,000 cash on September 11, the day of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, may be deported back to Israel for immigration violations as early as next week, according to the Israeli consulate in New York.

Consul for Media and Public Affairs Ido Aharoni said the deportation order was issued by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service, and it must be approved by the Justice Department.

But the lawyer for the men, Steven Gordon, said the group is still waiting for the INS to sign the deportation order.

Gordon said the plight of the five, who were almost immediately cleared by authorities but subsequently held on relatively minor immigration violations, including overstaying a tourist visa by nine days and working illegally on a tourist visa, serves as a warning to anyone concerned with civil liberties in the wake of September 11.

"However, after ascertaining almost immediately that they had no involvement, it is just unconscionable that they have been denied bail and the government is deporting them," he said.

The consulate has visited the men twice, said Aharoni, the first time two weeks ago. Consul-General Alon Pinkas plans to visit them Monday.

Gordon said they have continuously requested, and not yet received, kosher food.

Trouble began for Sivan Kurzberg, his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Gavriel Marmari, all in their twenties and workers at a New Jersey-based moving company, on September 11 when they were picked up in a during the heightened security sweep following the attacks on New York and Washington.

A series of coincidences brought the police and FBI in hot pursuit of the men, said Gordon. After the two terrorist airplanes hit the World Trade Center, the men went to the rooftop of their workplace, and the rooftop of their moving van, and began taking pictures of the burning buildings, some with themselves in the foreground smiling.

In each location, the men, described in press reports as rugged and Middle Eastern-looking, evoked the ire of neighbors, who called the police to report suspicious activity.

Hours later, the men, who were driving back to their home in Brooklyn, were pulled over based on the description of the van given to police. With their box-cutters and cash seen as hijacker's weapons rather than tools of the moving trade, they were taken to Meadowlands police station, forced to lie down for 1.5 hours in a grassy area, then questioned by the FBI for 12-16 hours. They were not given food for the duration of the interrogation, said Gordon.

After determining the men were not connected to the attacks, they were turned over to INS custody and detained on immigration violations. A new round of interrogations began after the FBI developed their film, which, according to their lawyer, showed them posing on the rooftop and van as the World Trade Center collapsed behind them.

All five were held in solitary confinement until last week.

When asked if they had complained of being mistreated, Aharoni said, "All the reports that we received said they're in a maximum security facility. How well can you be treated in such a facility?"




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To: Phil V.; veronica
Another point of view-

U.S. Incarceration Of Five Israelis Sparks Hard Questions Why have five young Israelis been detained for over six weeks in a maximum-security facility in New York on charges of minor immigration violations? Why have their deportation orders, which were issued one month ago, not yet been implemented? Why have the American authorities not taken note of the fact that, according to persons very close to the case, at least one of the five is on the verge of mental collapse? These are just some of the angry questions Jews in Israel are beginning to ask as more details of this bizarre case come to light.

The five, at least one of whom has asked to remain anonymous in order not to alarm his ill father and other ailing relatives, were originally arrested on Sept. 11 on charges relating to the Bin-Laden terrorist attacks. After up to 16 hours of "unpleasant" questioning, the investigators realized that they had made a mistake - but decided to keep the Israelis in jail anyway because their visas had expired. "The boys received deportation orders on Sept. 25," Atty. Steve Gordon, the New York attorney of one of them, said, "and I admit, I have no explanation as to why they have not yet been deported. Nor can I understand why they are being held in a maximum-security facility. Either the U.S. government is not telling us everything, or else it's true that the Immigration Service simply does not have enough manpower to implement the orders, as they claim."

Meanwhile, however, the five are suffering greatly. The mother of one told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson that she has it from a "first-hand source" that one of them is in "very dangerous psychological condition," and that the others are also suffering. The parents are in close contact with one another, and have become, the mother said, a support group for each other. "Hopefully, when the boys return, we will be able to tell the full story of how we helped each other," she said. She said that she was not allowed to communicate with her son during the six weeks following the arrests. When told that the Consul-General in New York had said that they might be released "next week," she said, "Of course they *might* be - but there has been no indication at all that anything has changed since a month or six weeks ago. The whole thing is one big question mark."

"Even the Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie Shmuel, the mother of another of the youths, told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson yesterday. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions." It has since been learned, however, that some of them were granted improved conditions two days ago.

Mrs. Shmuel said that President Moshe Katzav, New York Mayor Giuliani and others had attempted to intervene, but there have been no results so far. The youths are being held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. When asked if the local Jewish community had gotten involved, both mothers said that they had been in contact with "someone there" but that they had not seen results.

A spokesperson for the Israeli Consulate in New York told Arutz-7 that in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, "the Americans now have different procedures for dealing with the detention of anyone arrested in connection with the attacks. Every single request of ours must go through the FBI and the State Department's legal team" - even though the terrorism charges have long been dropped. "We are doing as much as we possibly can on their behalf," she said.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=11883&PHPSESSID=66af062e7dd46185b3409e0034bf9b7f

41 posted on 10/26/2001 9:04:26 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Phil V.
My Puerto Rican co-worker was profiled as "Middle Eastern looking" last week at the airport. We suggested that he wear a ball cap backwards and chew gum.
44 posted on 10/26/2001 2:22:04 PM PDT by Patria One
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To: boston_liberty
The Jerusalem Post and the Israel National News (the two newspapers that I have seen this in) would not touch the story if those men detained were not Israeli Jews

Interesting.
How do these publications make this determination (Jew, not a Jew) about three punks arrested in the USA?

45 posted on 10/26/2001 3:05:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Phil V.
Their smiling rooftop photo session with the burning WTC shows a distinct lack of decency and common sense. But it's not a criminal offence. They are being deported solely for immigration violations.
46 posted on 10/26/2001 3:28:58 PM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: veronica
. . . Muslim *charities* in the USA being investigated for ties to terrorism and you are having fits over this.

fits   arroused curiosity

47 posted on 10/26/2001 6:50:44 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: vrwc54
Phil V...You're one sick puppy.

No.

If I were sick I would not be aware that this area if inquiry is despicable.

Has anyone done the demographics? Why not? Some in the Muslim world are accusing Israel of having warned the Jewish workers to stay away. The best way to refute this despicable allegation is a demographics study. Do it.

49 posted on 10/26/2001 7:00:10 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Nachum; TrueBeliever9; Thinkin' Gal; 2sheep; Lent; dennisw
I'm outraged!! Why the unequal treatment?!

When I moved two years ago, the movers except one were also young Israelis. I have NEVER had nicer, more helpful movers. I had the flu and my little one was running around and my husband had an emergency at work so he couldn't help me, and we were behind schedule to move, and I was ready to drop from exhaustion. The Israeli youths helped me pack boxes and kept saying in broken English, Don't worry, we'll help you, we understand. Their kindness was overwhelming.

50 posted on 10/26/2001 7:10:06 PM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Phil V.
All who smiled on that day should burn in Hell.

Oh you racist. You bad person you. All those palestinians and Arab Islamics and other Islamics laughing and carrying on when 9/11 occurred. You want all these to burn in hell and they don't even have a chance to repent. You must be a religious fanatic.

51 posted on 10/26/2001 9:30:07 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Lent
You want all these to burn in hell and they don't even have a chance to repent. You must be a religious fanatic.

What ever was I thinking!

They should all have ACLU lowyers and a fair trial and granted the opportunity to make restitution earning minimum wage making small rocks out of big rocks while anthrax blisters their skin and makes mush out of their lungs and our best Jewish doctors keep them alive to experience more agony.

Then they can go to Hell.

52 posted on 10/26/2001 9:53:10 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: l33t; sabra; Lent
This Jewish paper, owned by a family which converted to Christianity several generations ago (no doubt on orders from the NY Federation of the Elders), decided to inflate the Jewish representation in the make-up of the WTC victims. As commanded by the Elders, the New York Times is slicing in half the actual number of the victims by removing from the list those who are not Jews.

Unless it is TIC (please tell me that it is), I think we have a winner for the most deranged post of the day.

Those darn allegedly Episcopalean Jews are at it again. Enjoy this guy while he lasts guys. Methinks it won't be long.

53 posted on 10/26/2001 9:54:07 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Sounds like the zionist conspiracy of the month. I must have missed a few. Here was the one in May



Israel is poisoning the Palestinians candies!!

Foreign Affairs News Keywords: PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA
Source: Palestinian News Agency
Published: May 21, 2001 Author: Palestinian News Agency
Posted on 05/21/2001 10:36:54 PDT by l33t

Gaza May 21st Wafa, Head of the emergency in Alshifa Hospital in Gaza, stated that it seems to be that Israel has started a new genocide against the Palestinian people by poisoning them, using poisoned candy bags dropped down from airplanes.

He based his suspicion upon four peculiar cases of poisoning as a result of touching and smelling candy bags that were dropped from an Israeli airplane at Beit Lahia north to Gaza City.

He said that when the four examined the bags, they felt bad and vomited, and were rushed to the hospital.

He added that the initial testing for these bags showed that the candies smell like coconuts, were poisoned and there is a strong doubt that the candy contains radioactive materials!.

Finally he warned Palestinian citizens to be alert and aware of any suspicious goods.


I'm surprised CNN/BBC/Reuters/AP have not picked up the news of the latest Zionist war crime. 1 Posted on 05/21/2001 10:36:54 PDT by l33t
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54 posted on 10/26/2001 10:19:12 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Lent
Thanks. It is most appropriate you recycle that one for Halloween. Those Israelis seem to spare no expense to try to make Palestinian children vomit.
55 posted on 10/26/2001 10:31:51 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I am a consistent pro-Israel poster, so I didn't bother to place sarcasm tag at the end. I was responding to Phil V, who if look at what he posted on this thread thinks that the count is being revised downward so that Jewish representation could be boosted which, according to him, suggests that there is an attempt to cover up that Jews were warned by the Mossad about the attack.
56 posted on 10/27/2001 2:43:08 PM PDT by l33t
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To: l33t
OK, thanks for the clarification. The post was so far out there that it WAS hard to believe it was real. But then you did post the candy thing. :)
57 posted on 10/27/2001 3:48:22 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Phil V.
The first article claims these 5 may be home soon because an immigration order has been issued, the second in post 41 complains the order was issued a month ago and not implemented. It all sounds like a lot of spin to me.

They both agree "the five..were almost immediately cleared by authorities" and "the investigators realized that they had made a mistake". I would like to see these allegations supported in the American press.

58 posted on 10/29/2001 4:28:41 AM PST by Tarakotchi
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