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Israelis mistaken for terrorists may be home soon
The Jerusalem Post ^ | October, 26 2001 | By Melissa Radler

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:34:53 PM PDT by Phil V.

The Jerusalem Post

Israelis mistaken for terrorists may be home soon


By Melissa Radler October, 26 2001

NEW YORK (October 26) - Five Israeli men detained in New Jersey with box-cutters, multiple passports, and $4,000 cash on September 11, the day of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, may be deported back to Israel for immigration violations as early as next week, according to the Israeli consulate in New York.

Consul for Media and Public Affairs Ido Aharoni said the deportation order was issued by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service, and it must be approved by the Justice Department.

But the lawyer for the men, Steven Gordon, said the group is still waiting for the INS to sign the deportation order.

Gordon said the plight of the five, who were almost immediately cleared by authorities but subsequently held on relatively minor immigration violations, including overstaying a tourist visa by nine days and working illegally on a tourist visa, serves as a warning to anyone concerned with civil liberties in the wake of September 11.

"However, after ascertaining almost immediately that they had no involvement, it is just unconscionable that they have been denied bail and the government is deporting them," he said.

The consulate has visited the men twice, said Aharoni, the first time two weeks ago. Consul-General Alon Pinkas plans to visit them Monday.

Gordon said they have continuously requested, and not yet received, kosher food.

Trouble began for Sivan Kurzberg, his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Gavriel Marmari, all in their twenties and workers at a New Jersey-based moving company, on September 11 when they were picked up in a during the heightened security sweep following the attacks on New York and Washington.

A series of coincidences brought the police and FBI in hot pursuit of the men, said Gordon. After the two terrorist airplanes hit the World Trade Center, the men went to the rooftop of their workplace, and the rooftop of their moving van, and began taking pictures of the burning buildings, some with themselves in the foreground smiling.

In each location, the men, described in press reports as rugged and Middle Eastern-looking, evoked the ire of neighbors, who called the police to report suspicious activity.

Hours later, the men, who were driving back to their home in Brooklyn, were pulled over based on the description of the van given to police. With their box-cutters and cash seen as hijacker's weapons rather than tools of the moving trade, they were taken to Meadowlands police station, forced to lie down for 1.5 hours in a grassy area, then questioned by the FBI for 12-16 hours. They were not given food for the duration of the interrogation, said Gordon.

After determining the men were not connected to the attacks, they were turned over to INS custody and detained on immigration violations. A new round of interrogations began after the FBI developed their film, which, according to their lawyer, showed them posing on the rooftop and van as the World Trade Center collapsed behind them.

All five were held in solitary confinement until last week.

When asked if they had complained of being mistreated, Aharoni said, "All the reports that we received said they're in a maximum security facility. How well can you be treated in such a facility?"




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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: The Documentary Lady
This is a Jerusalem Post story. I don't think they support terrorism.

No, but do you ?
Which of the Islamic countries I listed are you willing to defend ?

22 posted on 10/25/2001 8:42:54 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Phil V.
You can stop pinging articles to me.
23 posted on 10/25/2001 8:46:20 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Galloway
One gets the idea you would defend a terrorist if he wears a headscarf and holds a koran.
25 posted on 10/25/2001 8:51:30 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: The Documentary Lady
Do you find it interesting that NYT is compiling a new list of WTC victims 1/2 the present count? Are the demographics "inconvenient"?
27 posted on 10/25/2001 9:07:26 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Michael2001
. . . ., who knows if they were really smiling ?

Those who possess the photographs - probably classified "top secret" by now.

28 posted on 10/25/2001 9:12:04 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
They were on the George Washington Bridge [between upper Manhattan and New Jersey] at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge.

After the two terrorist airplanes hit the World Trade Center, the men went to the rooftop of their workplace, and the rooftop of their moving van, and began taking pictures of the burning buildings, some with themselves in the foreground smiling.

Someone's lying.

29 posted on 10/25/2001 9:16:14 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Someone's lying.

Take your theory to their lowyer and the FBI.

A new round of interrogations began after the FBI developed their film, which, according to their lawyer, showed them posing on the rooftop and van as the World Trade Center collapsed behind them.


30 posted on 10/25/2001 9:38:01 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Do you find it interesting that NYT is compiling a new list of WTC victims 1/2 the present count? Are the demographics "inconvenient"?

Yes, this is no doubt another Jewish related conspiracy and yet another example of the Jewish abuse of power. This Jewish paper, owned by a family which converted to Christianity several generations ago (no doubt on orders from the NY Federation of the Elders), decided to inflate the Jewish representation in the make-up of the WTC victims. As commanded by the Elders, the New York Times is slicing in half the actual number of the victims by removing from the list those who are not Jews. And, anyone who cites the fact that the number of missing employees of the WTC tenants is well below 2500 as the rationale for what the New Times is doing is either a dupe or a Zionist infiltrator.

31 posted on 10/25/2001 10:12:55 PM PDT by l33t
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To: Phil V.
With their box-cutters and cash seen as hijacker's weapons rather than tools of the moving trade...

That's funny. "Cash" is a tool of the moving trade. It's also funny how the "multiple passports" were never explained.

Before releasing these "rugged, Middle Eastern-looking men", I would make darn sure they are really Israelis. Oh yeah - - the article never mentions whether or not these men are Jews. I have done business here in the US with Israeli Arabs. There's plenty of them. Yeah, I think I'd keep them in lock-up a while longer.

32 posted on 10/25/2001 10:17:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Oh yeah - - the article never mentions whether or not these men are Jews.

Gordon said they have continuously requested, and not yet received, kosher food.

34 posted on 10/25/2001 10:42:24 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: l33t
Cute.

The question that I asked is a despicable question. I truly hope that the answer is not also despicable.

35 posted on 10/25/2001 10:47:21 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: The Documentary Lady
Giuliani Refutes Times Report That WTC Death Toll Is Smaller
36 posted on 10/25/2001 10:53:02 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
The mother says the men claim they were not on the roof, but the lawyer says they were.

What the hell is going on?

37 posted on 10/26/2001 3:16:56 AM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
What the hell is going on?

Watch for "out of character" behavior all around.
Soon you too will be capable of thinking and asking despicable questions just like me.
Your friends will melt away.
The answer is "outside the box".

38 posted on 10/26/2001 5:47:33 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.; veronica; dennisw
Phil V writes:
Do you find it interesting that NYT is compiling a new list of WTC victims 1/2 the present count? Are the demographics "inconvenient"?

27 posted on 10/25/01 9:07 PM Pacific by Phil V.

Phil V...You're one sick puppy.
39 posted on 10/26/2001 7:00:42 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: Phil V.
Over 200 Muslim *charities* in the USA being investigated for ties to terrorism and you are having fits over this.

B-zarre.

40 posted on 10/26/2001 7:43:27 AM PDT by veronica
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