Posted on 10/25/2001 2:52:11 PM PDT by FresnoDA
September 27, 2001, Thursday
A NATION CHALLENGED: IMMIGRATION; Suspects in Hijackings Exploited Loopholes in Immigration Policy
By DIANA JEAN SCHEMO and ROBERT PEAR
Source: The New York Times
Section: National Desk
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Abstract
Hijackers who flew airliners into World Trade Center and Pentagon exploited immigration system that critics contend is riddled with loopholes and that is geared to ease the way for commerce, whether in form of tourism, business or study; experts on terrorism say security precautions often take back seat to pressure from industry, concerns of neighboring governments and even bureaucratic rivalries in US government; say sheer volume of daily border crossings--300 by land from Mexico alone--make exclusion of all foreign terrorists impossible; photo (M)
Five Israelis Held In New York |
| October 25, 2001 Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge. |
Collective guilt? Where are you coming from? The FACTS ARE that fundamentalist MUSLIMS commit over 90% of world terrorism. And every one of the sicko terrorists that committed the 9/11 assault on America, everyone, was from a Middle East Muslim nation. Much as Willie Sutton quipped when asked why he robbed banks "because that is where all the money is" the same goes for Middle Easterners…because these are the ones that account for terrorism in this world. Moreover, the citizens of this country have every right to expect that our government fulfill its PRIMARY responsibility to “protect” its citizens from enemies "foreign and domestic"...At least that is how it is spelled out in our constitution.
It certainly makes it a lot harder for them if they find themselves back in their own countries. There have been many attempted terrorist acts, including an Arab killing Robert Kennedy here in the US by an Arab living here in the US taking orders from Arafat. This isn't about the Iraqi army landing on our shores, they are being sent here as agents of destruction to work within the US to bring it down.
So what? They're all dead, and there's been no further terrorist attacks. But the question I have for you is, how would this proposal for mass deportations protect the US? Because as we've repeatedly seen these people don't need to be within your borders in order to succeed in their missions. I'd say the sheer unfairness of it would be more likely to inspire a terrorist attack, and inflame a new set of enemies.
I can't agree with that, Fitz. There are American embassies and businesses and tourists just about everywhere. And really, there's been very little protest, and no attacks on any of them, since 9/11. The biggest problem our side's facing right now is the media, who are keeping the public in a state of constant fear and frenzy in order to sell papers and boost ratings.
1. the people who carried out the attacks are dead;
2. the organisation who planned the attacks is smashed;
3. the country where the attacks were planned is rubble;
so that's hardly sitting around and twiddling your thumbs. I think really what this thread is about is good ol' venting; California-style 'express yourself' and 'let it all out' therapy. Which I guess can't hurt. But let's be clear; should the original proposal (to deport all aliens) ever be enacted it would be like pouring gasoline on the smouldering embers of terrorism.
All the ones from Sept 11th are dead. Most of us are convinced there are thousands more like them, right here in America
I'd say the sheer unfairness of it would be more likely to inspire a terrorist attack, and inflame a new set of enemies.
I am not convinced one way or another on the deportation thing, but I am convinced of one thing. Nothing we say, think or do, will have any bearing on whether or not we have another terrorist attack. There will be more attacks, even if we did absolutely nothing. I hope they don't fly one into the Opera House, or the Sydney Harbor Bridge at rush hour either. That would be almost as bad as the WTC and Pentagon.
I think you are 100% correct on that statement. We must at least have a morratorium across the board on all immigration!
Well, let's use common sense on that. My woman is not a US Citizen, and is not in the US yet. I don't want to keep her out, but we do want to keep terrorists out. Now, how we do that efficiently, I am not sure, but we can't sit on our hands, and do nothing.
Those 19 did not pay their own room and board, they didn't pay their own tuition to flight schools and colleges. The Muslim terrorists living in the US are a well-financed group and much of their money is coming from US mosques. The average Muslim may or may not know they contribute to terrorism through their "charities". Back in 1998, it was estimated there were 1500 to 2000 known terrorists living in the US. "Jihad in America" is a good video to watch to learn more what the FBI knew all along.
What? According to the Pentagon, Al Queda alone still has some 70,000-100,000 terrorists around the world. The U.S. has plenty of work ahead in taking out the other nests of terrorism around the globe. Seems like you want America to make a declaration of victory over terrorism because we mopped up the nests in Afghanistan and go back to business as usual. The same sort of complacency that led to 9/11 to begin with.
And are you trying to say that if we deport all the Muslims here in the U.S. on visas that terrorism in the U.S. would not significantly decline? That would be like saying if someone quit smoking while still young and healthy that it would have no impact on the chances of getting lung disease than if they kept on smoking. Well perhaps if our immigration policies don't change soon one might as well be a 3 pack-a-day smoker because it won't make any difference when one of these terrorist networks find a way to sneak WMDs in this country.
As for your comment that deporting Muslims would "inspire" a terrorist attack...that could happen as it would be in keeping with the characteristics that defines Muslims. The good news is that after they are gone we won't have to worry much about terrorism on these shores anymore.
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