Apocalypse now? "Dozens of Russia's nuclear weapons are missing"

Times/U.K. ^ | Tuesday, October 23, 2001 | GILES WHITTELL

[JJ59]

and the string of suicide bombers that ended at the WTC started clearly in Israel. Israel's greed and motives are transparent to the world. Enough is enough.

A lie and we all know your motives. Your hate for Israel is well known on this forum. You along with the psycho sects of Islam. By saying this you act as Bin Laden's propaganda agent. I have read interviews with Bin Laden and he always mentions the US presence in Saudi and the Gulf as the main reason he hates America.

[Dan Day]

Radioactive Cesium is a fission by-product, and as such is highly radioactive already. Not suitable for making "dirty bombs", as it is undesirable to kill by radiation the folks handling the weaponry hardware on the ground and or during assembly. You are actually thinking about the "cobalt bomb", which surrounds the nuclear device with stable, nonradioactive cobalt (isotope 59, mostly). When the nuclear device detonates, the Co-59 soaks up neutrons from the explosion, and is transmuted to HIGHLY radioactive Co-60, which is scattered by the explosion.

You've misread my post.

I'm not talking about using Cesium to make a nuclear bomb produce more fallout.

I'm talking about how people WITHOUT a nuclear bomb could pack radiactive Cesium around a NON-nuclear bomb, creating a conventional explosive which sprays radiactivity over a sizeable area, contaminating it.

Note that in my post I spoke of "conventional" explosives.

The point is that even a non-nuke-enabled band of terrorists could do nasty things with radiactive Cesium (or other radiactive substances which are not themselves suitable for the creation of nuclear weapons).

[a_federalist]

bttt

[a_federalist]

fyi ping

[Wonder Warthog]

"The point is that even a non-nuke-enabled band of terrorists could do nasty things with radiactive Cesium (or other radiactive substances which are not themselves suitable for the creation of nuclear weapons)."

Even less likely. FIRST, they have to actually get hold of the cesium. SECOND, they have to transport it to their device assembly location without it being detected (or frying themselves). THIRD, they have to assemble the device (again without frying themselves). FOURTH, they have to transport the device to its "point of insertion" without it being detected. I suspect that with a gamma source of this level of intensity, that the detection equipment on spy satellites would see it without much problem. The US may not be able to remotely detect bio-weapons (yet), but I can guarantee that we have the best nuclear radiation detection equipment possible.

Now, if they could lay hands on an ALPHA particle emitter, they could probably do most of that successfully, and the explostion of such a device WOULD spread a lot of radioactivity around, which probably WOULD cause lung cancer in a number of folks 5 or 10 years after the device was set off, but that leaves LOTS of time for retaliation.

It would probably be easier to steal or buy a nuke.

[JJ59]

Your sick hatred of Israel in unimpressive. It says a lot more about you than it says about Israel. It goes over a lot better in the Muslim world than in the USA. But nice try.

I'll mark you down in the Bin Laden column. OK kimosabe?

[hinckley buzzard]

...Under whose watch did all this happen...

Good point, and needs to be emphasized.

For example, do not overlook the detail mentioned early in the story--about uranium for sale by South Africa in 1993. The story behind this is that when the end was in sight for civilization in South Africa, the deClerk government offered this material for sale to the United States.

The flakey new clintoid administration was so interested in White House pizza parties, homosexual Sojer Boys and socialized medicine that --they took a message and never bothered to get back to the South Africans.

Sec-o'-State Warren Christopher was probably too busy entering his second childhood and just didn't give a sh*t.

Anyway, the barbarians who took over South Africa basically shrugged and --sold it to someone else. I wonder who.

Just another case of Billyboy too busy J*-ing off to take care of business.

[theoutsideman]

Bring it on! Let's go toe to toe. Nuclear combat with the terrorist. I love it.

[hinckley buzzard]

Make sure to wear one of those turbans so you don't scrape your forehead when bowing and scraping before your foreign raghead masters. Personally I'd rather go down fighting, grey hair and all.

But then, I'm an American.

Sorry about whatever the F* you are.

[Elenya]

the deClerk government offered this material for sale to the United States... They took a message and never bothered to get back to the South Africans.

Historians will be ruthless: Clinton's legacy will be one of shame.

[fourdeuce82d]

Julius Ceaser when he crossed the Rubiconsaid "The die is cast."

well, actually he said "alia jacta est"

yes, I'm showing off, but since that phrase is about all I remember from high school latin I beg your indulgence. It's hell trying to work it into everyday conversation.

[copycat]

Mark.

[harpseal]

Well how about this for your high school latin Cartago delanda est. Moderized it might well be Islam delanda est.

I translated for those who unlike you never had the benefit of classical education.

Stay well - stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

[babyfreep]

FYI

[rdavis84]

Please note that this is part of the info I posted above -- now it appears that the "experts" are going to move to "radioactive material wrapped around conventional explosives". ------

"To advance the design of an A-bomb, it is advantageous to boost the initial fissioning of the plutonium. This is achieved by introducing a spurt of neutrons to the fissile heart of the warhead, either with a small pea- sized source of radioactive polonium combined with beryllium, or by creating neutrons from the fusing a few grams of radioactive tritium and deuterium. Both of these techniques require a nuclear reactor to generate the radioactive materials, and conventional chemical plants to isolate either the deuterium or beryllium, and to provide lithium as a source of tritium."

The backpack nukes we had back in the late 60's were "A-Bombs". So were the Artillery shells that were nukes.

I don't know the purpose of the Diversion that has gone on about the realistic capability for small nuke detonations in this country, but it has been very extensive (and wordy).

Guess somebody thinks the Sheep Need to Be Tended.

[harpseal]

Your comments regarding the difficulty of producing a nuclear weapon are noted. it is further noted that at least several nations possess such weapons including India and Pakistan and that Soviet Union has some of its weapons unaccounted for.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[painter]

Post#76

I have a feeling you know Alot more about this kind of stuff than you are allowed to talk about.Don't get yourself in trouble!