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1 posted on 10/19/2001 9:52:56 AM PDT by BigTime
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To: BigTime
You can't prove a negative, so don't bother trying.

The burden is on them to prove that we gave Iraq anthrax, which that statement by a Democrat congressman does not do.

2 posted on 10/19/2001 9:57:17 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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Also, claiming that the US approved 771 licenses is meaningless, unless one specifically involves anthrax. Of course, if your opponent finds the "golden BB," you're f-ed.
4 posted on 10/19/2001 10:04:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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In 1982, We had just ended the Hostage situation in Iran, and the Ayatollah Homenni was trying to take over the entire Middle East with his form of Islamic Rule. We in fact did assist Iraq with weapons and other "dual use" equipment during this time period, because Iraq was at war with Iran, and we wanted Iran contained.

At the time, Iraq's attitude was "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and accepted our military aid. After we accidently shot down an Iraqi AirBus, we even were for a period providing Iraq with AWACS surveillance.

However, as signatory to the ban on Biological weapons, we at no time provided Iraq with Anthrax. We may indeed have supplied laboratory equipment that allowed them to grow and refine Anthrax, but this same equipment is also used in medical research.

5 posted on 10/19/2001 10:06:02 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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Apparently, the US government did license export of anthrax samples to the University of Basra back in the eighties Anthrax strains are routinely transferred around the world between legitimate research labs. We did not supply them with weaponized anthrax.
7 posted on 10/19/2001 10:11:11 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: BigTime

Iraqi Sources of Chemical & Bio Material

According to the chairman of a House of Representatives subcommittee investigating United States Exports of Sensitive Technology to Iraq, "[f]rom 1985 to 1990, the United States Government approved 771 licenses for the export to Iraq of $1.5 billion worth of biological agents and high-tech equipment with military applications."

The biological materials included:

  • Bacillus Anthracis, the anthrax bacteria
  • Clostridium Botulinum, which produces botulinum toxin
  • Histoplasma Capsulatam, which causes a disease of the lungs, heart, and central nervous system (brain & spinal cord)
  • Brucella Melitensis, which damages major organs
  • Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria which causes systemic illness
  • Clostridium tetani, which causes tetnus and is strongly toxigenic
  • Escherichia coli, for biological research
  • human and bacterial DNA
  • other pathogenic biological agents
  • Thiodiglycol, which is used to make mustard gas, was also exported.

    For more information check out the article, "Anthrax for Export" by William Blum in the April, 1998, issue of The Progressive or his article, The United States vs. Iraq - A Study in Hypocrisy.



    10 posted on 10/19/2001 10:41:17 AM PDT by Kare Bully
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    (from article above)
    "Indeed, President Clinton has said more than once that the U.S. will not allow sanctions to be lifted as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power. It can be said that the United States has inflicted more vindictive punishment and ostracism upon Iraq than upon Germany or Japan after World War 2. "

    One thing I remember from films in high school history class was that the draconian provisions imposed on Germany by the Allies after WWI led to the destruction of their economy and directly to Hitler and WWII. I thought of that many times during the ten year persecution of Iraq by the U.S. following the end of the Gulf War.

    12 posted on 10/19/2001 11:07:30 AM PDT by Kare Bully
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    Click here for lots of articles confirming that we did indeed send them many harmful toys.

    Germ culture to grow the anthrax was freely imported from the US military's centre for chemical and biological research at Fort Detrick, Maryland, via civilian laboratories operated by ATCC, the American Type Culture Collection.

    American investigators have established that several shipments of biological material, including 21 batches of anthrax , were licensed for export from the US to Iraq between 1985 and 1988. They were sent to the Ministry of Higher Education and the Ministry of Trade in Baghdad.

    and

    A Nobel laureate who headed a 1994 Pentagon study that dismissed links between chemical and biological weapons and Persian Gulf War illnesses was also a director of a U.S. firm that had earlier exported anthrax and other lethal materials to Iraq before the 1991 conflict, according to federal records.

    Renowned geneticist Joshua Lederberg of New York served as chairman of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Persian Gulf War Health Effects. At the time of the 1994 study, Lederberg was also one of 10 directors on the board of American Type Culture Collection, or ATCC.

    Newsday has found that the nonprofit Rockville, Md., firm made 70 government-approved shipments of anthrax and other disease-causing pathogens to Iraqi scientists between 1985 and 1989, according to congressional records. Lederberg became a director, an unpaid position, in 1990, a year after the shipments were halted by the Bush administration. Lederberg resigned from ATCC last year.

    ....ATCC's role as a supplier of anthrax to Iraq became public on Feb. 9, 1994, when Sen. Donald Riegle (D-Mich.) delivered a Senate speech outlining ATCC's shipments and criticizing Commerce Department export controls.

    "I think the U.S. government approving export of these materials to a government like that and to someone like Saddam Hussein violates every standard of logic and common sense," Riegle said. By then it had been widely reported that Iraq had inflicted heavy casualties on Iranian troops with chemical weapons since 1981.

    The senator noted that ATCC shipped "bacillus anthracis," twice - in May, 1986, and September, 1988. There were also two shipments of clostridium botulinum - a bacteria used to make botulinum toxin - on the same dates. The batches, frozen in tiny vials, were shipped to Baghdad's Ministry of Education.

    and

    "By 1986, Iraq had proven itself better at the use of chemical weapons than any fighting force in the world," said a former senior U.S. diplomat involved in Iraq. By 1988, Iraq's use of gases had also repeatedly been documented by U.N. specialists. "It was all done with a wink and a nod," said a former U.S. intelligence official. "We knew exactly where this stuff was going, although we bent over backwards to look the other way." Washington knew Iraq was "dumping boatloads" of chemical weapons on Iranian positions, he added.

    14 posted on 10/19/2001 11:26:47 AM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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