Indonesia Muslims Turn Out in Force Against U.S. Raids ''our blood is boiling''

Reuters via Yahoo! News ^ | Friday October 19 6:31 AM ET | Achmad Sukarsono

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

Gee...I'm going to go hide under my bed....oh, woe is me...we are doomed.............ROTFLMAO!!

[aristotleman]

We must remember that most of these people are uneducated, and that their only idea of history, politics, the West, and national identity, comes from mosque-run propaganda. Human beings always believe what they are told, if they have no access to free knowledge. One questions only if one is brought up to question. This is the danger ahead. Millions of poor,ignorant people, determined they hold some kind of godly truth. There should be no attempt to "make them understand", or to show try and show them we are really the good guys here. It's NOT POSSIBLE. Their uneducated minds are collectively made up and it's too late to stop it.

So no more questions about "Why do they hate us" should be acceptable. Analysis of our foreign policy for the past 50 years should not be on our agenda. The only thing to focus on right now should be the survival of freedom and our way of life.

[rebdov]

"Is she saying that Bush and Blair stole planes, manned them with insane Muslims and used boxcutters to fly them into the towers and kill thousands?"

No, they believe that the Jews exerted mind control and got innocent Muslims to crash the planes.

[headsonpikes]

"Our blood is boiling,

Our hide is fried;

Let' s all get jiggy,

For Osamacide!"

Burma shave.

[rebdov]

In fact the Rabbis have always said that a court that executes once in 70 years is called a bloodthirsty court. If anyone would study the rules of evidence for a Jewish court, one would soon realize that it is very difficult to convict someone with an exceptionally strong presumption of innocence. Moreover, the western notion of presumption of innocence comes from Jewish jurisprudence.

[stanleypie]

Wow, their women get to show their faces!

Yeah, I thought I had looked up "UGLY" in the dictionary, and this appeared.

[rebdov]

I am more worried about the educated ones than the illiterate masses. The illiterate masses do not as rule stir up the crowd into hysteria. Bin Laden was Oxford educated. His top lieutenant was trained as a surgeon in Egypt. The madman Assad in Syria is an opthamologist. Look out from an educated barbarian.

[TrueBeliever9]

More appropriately, it means "surrender" as in become a Muslim or die!

[TrueBeliever9]

I expect to encounter them in force at the Fresh Fields! They love Fresh Fields (almost as much as they love our malls)!

[agave]

If their "blood is boiling," they need to take a cold shower.

As for all these so-called Clerics, they are nothing but fascist rabble rousers operating under the cloak of religion, and should be dealt with accordingly. Nazism, Communism, and whatever the hell the Japanese were smoking in the last century were "religions," and we had to obliterate them.

If the noise Osama and the other "radical fundamentalists" are preaching isn't Islam, fine. But whatever it is, we're going to kill it.

[Sci Fi Guy]

There have been many reports of Christians being murdered in Indonesia for years

Have you studies the Quran? I ask because I don't know the context of the passages you referenced. As another poster demostrated you can paint a very dark picture of the Bible if you ignore the wider context, the big picture. So to understand those passages, you must understand the context in which they appear.

Personally speaking I don't think that the Quran matters. Even if it taught Muslims to be loving, forgiving, and tolerant. The plain truth is Muslims are brutal to non-Muslims, when they are in power.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"... Vice President Haz, who has said the attacks on the United States should help cleanse Washington of its sins.."

That's an interesting line. Every American administration since JFK has poured military and financial aid into Indonesia. We supported the Indonesian military--populated mainly by Muslims--in their brutal putdown of leftist "elements"--mainly buddhist, christian, animist and atheist.

Washington stepped up financial and miliary aid in the wake of the fall of the Berlin Wall. Indonesia was, of course, a favorite resting place for Wall Street money. American businesses, with the full blessing of Washington, flocked there in the 70s and 80s in search of extremely cheap labor.

In the midst of one of the routine anti-christian, anti-chinese pogroms Clinton made a State visit and dressed up as a memeber of the Indonesian bowling team. A few weeks later, while some of the churches were still smoldering Madeline Albright--the mad bomber of Belgrade--showed up to shore up our continuing friendship with the great Nation of Indonesia.

I wonder if that's what he means by "Washington's sins"? If so I'd like to thank him for the honest assessment of our foregn policy. I wonder if anyone in Washington will be willing to speak of "Washington's sins" in the next few years? So far, it doesn't look too likely. George W. Bush trotted over to the CIA to deliver an affectionate, supportive pep-talk even before he visited the smoking ruins of the World Trade Towers.

And Americans seem more willing than ever to offer themselves up as human sacrifices on the altar of globalism in atonement for "Washinton's sins". Can a People survive long on self hatred masking itself as "patriotism"?

[aristotleman]

You got that right. In world history, the best recipe for mass uprisings, massacre, tragedy, comes from the evil of a few educated men that are able to manipulate an ignorant populace. Even though these protests greatly anger and worry me, I know that all these people, including the idiotic "martyr"-bombers et al, are merely misguided sheeple caught in the midst of their evil leaders agenda and rhetoric. Can you fathom masses of population that have NO IDEA about their past, or the rest of the world, other than what they are told? And the saddest thing, it's them we're going to have to kill. Such is human nature, such is the nature of war. One day, (if Islam survives this) there will be many "we didn't know" apologies, similar to post-WW2 Germany.

>>>PEACE THROUGH NECESSARY MEANS<<<<

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...Analysis of our foreign policy for the past 50 years should not be on our agenda. The only thing to focus on right now should be the survival of freedom and our way of life...."

Your second sentence is impossible without doing precisely what you abjure in the first sentence. Aristotle would never have cravenly turned away from the human duty to analyse the roots of the problems. We owe it to our capacity to reason, don't we? Isn't that an important part of our freedom and our way of life?"

[oldironsides]

The Muslims are murdering Christians. Under Slick Willy as president the USA funded a huge coal fired power plant in Indonesia. Maybe we ought to blow the SOB right up and leave these killers in the dark.

[Lent]

The Jihadist Fascist Movement International.

[malakhi]

Wow, their women get to show their faces!

I noted the same thing. If these women were under control of the Taliban, they would be beaten or executed for showing their face, let alone speaking in public.

[malakhi]

No, they believe that the Jews exerted mind control and got innocent Muslims to crash the planes.

When do I get this mind control stuff anyway? I guess I need to keep studying. ;o)

[Lent]

`Bush and Blair, you are so cruel, you have started a crusade,'' said one banner

I wish this were true because it would mean we were defending what was left of non-Islamicized lands - another Seljukian-like Jihad advance stopped and reversed.

[aristotleman]

Point well taken. In a time of peace and non-crisis, your proposal would be the correct path. At times of war, I believe, all energy must be focused on a solution to the national crisis. Of course, one might argue that it is necessary to understand the root of a problem in order to take appropriate action. Sometimes though, action taken with partial ignorance of the root cause, may be more direct and decisive. Eg When the Persians decided to invade Europe in ancient times, the Greeks did not stop to think, "what have we done to these people? Are we blocking their meditterranean trade? Are we intrusive to their culture on the East shores, with all those Greek libraries and local governments?"

No, such questions were never asked, there was no time to ask, or negotiate. The Greeks simply destroyed the Persian fleet and then we made nice nice forever more ;-*)

After that, philosophers and peoples of thought, analyzed, learned, advised, discussed, made historical judgement.