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To: The Shootist
Judge Bork is on the record as saying the 2nd Amendment does not confer a right

He's correct about that.

The 2nd Amendment does not confer that right. It only proscribes government infringement on that right. Read it yourself and see. It doesn't say "The people shall have the right to bear arms.", it says "...the right ... shall not be infringed".

Only God grants rights.

50 posted on 10/16/2001 12:40:03 PM PDT by DuncanWaring
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To: DuncanWaring
True. This right exists eternally, thus is not granted by gov't. Hence the proper acknowledgment is that this ever-existing right cannot be infringed. Stick any other combo into the 2nd amendment, e.g., A well read and informed populace being necessary to the intelligent functioning of a free society, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed The right precedes all, the right is absolute, we're right always, and might makes right. Right!
57 posted on 10/16/2001 1:03:24 PM PDT by my trusty sig
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To: DuncanWaring
Duncan....you've been reading.... .....and the professors, well betya they don't believe in God......or rights, or freedom....or property ownership.
59 posted on 10/16/2001 1:09:37 PM PDT by cbkaty
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To: DuncanWaring
Only God grants rights.

You are preaching to the choir. I've been doing the gun rights thing for 25 years. Gun Control is just a sympton of the disease.

What you need to understand is, with few exceptions (Justice Thomas being one and Rep. Ron Paul another) the policy makers and judiciary, IOW Our Leaders, believe that the Constitution has, in the words of Justice Blackmun, "Umbras and penumbras" (please excuse the run on sentence). Major and minor shadows. These shadows are used to gleam new meanings from an un-changing document.

Because of this the Constitution is now little more than a symbol, its meaning changing at a politician's whim. You want an example? We were attached on Sept. 11th an attack worse that Pearl Harbor. Yet we fight a war and are not Legally or Constitutionally "at war". New security laws, including present RICO and some wire-tapping powers are as clearly Un-Constitutional as the banning of handguns from D.C.

Since "both sides" in Washington benefit from this arrangement and, equally important, since the People could give a damn, nothing can or will be done to restore the Constitution. But keep trying, miracles happen.

72 posted on 10/16/2001 9:24:13 PM PDT by The Shootist
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