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To: RichardEdward
Not smart. Decompression DOES occur, depending on the gun. You cannot guarantee someone will not carry the "wrong" gun on. (Gee, that would be "gun control"). It is one thing for a crew member to be armed. But your gun goes off in your home or shed, maybe you get hurt, maybe you die. It discharges accidentally in the air, 250 people or more die. Not smart.
3 posted on 10/15/2001 3:19:21 PM PDT by LS
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To: LS
Sure you can.

All airlines need to do is post a list of acceptable weapons and ammunition when you purchase your ticket.

For someone carrying an 'unapproved weapon', the airline could rent them one for a nominal fee.

Problem solved, and no government intervention is required.

L

6 posted on 10/15/2001 3:21:50 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: LS
What if they built an aircraft that had what amounted to 200 separate toilet enclosures, each would be lined with Kevlar. They could have padded seats and seat belts, requiring the addition of a "You are now free to crap in the cabin" signs. Any beverage/food service could be accomplished via the use of light-weight pneumatic tubes and obviously any evacuation of the input would occur where you are.

With the added bonus of allowing anyone who wanted too, to smoke since they would be alone anyway!

9 posted on 10/15/2001 3:27:50 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: LS
Not smart. Decompression DOES occur, depending on the gun. You cannot guarantee someone will not carry the "wrong" gun on. (Gee, that would be "gun control"). It is one thing for a crew member to be armed. But your gun goes off in your home or shed, maybe you get hurt, maybe you die. It discharges accidentally in the air, 250 people or more die. Not smart.

What kind of "wrong gun"? A howitzer? Commercial aircraft already leak air through the outflow valve (I think that's what it's called). A single bullet (or a dozen) from a handgun would NOT cause explosive decompression, which is the one that is a tad bad, but still survivable. You have paid attention during the safety lectures before departure, right? Decompression is not that big a deal. Smashing into a building at 500 mph is, however.

10 posted on 10/15/2001 3:28:41 PM PDT by RoughDobermann
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To: LS
What? Say again all after "Not Smart".

You might want to check some of YOUR myths.

14 posted on 10/15/2001 3:58:04 PM PDT by BLASTER 14
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To: LS
Not smart. Decompression DOES occur, depending on the gun. You cannot guarantee someone will not carry the "wrong" gun on. (Gee, that would be "gun control"). It is one thing for a crew member to be armed. But your gun goes off in your home or shed, maybe you get hurt, maybe you die. It discharges accidentally in the air, 250 people or more die. Not smart.

Funny in W.W.II The Japanese fighters shot 20mm’s into B-29 s and they did not blow up Just made the air inside leak out faster. And now there are handguns bigger than that now. I must have missed those.

It is possible for a handgun to cause explosive decompression. But it would need to hit a window. AND cause it to blowout. and this would not cause the plane to go down. Just everyone’s ears to pop. Aircraft have had this happen in flight. And have landed safely landed.

One of the tests they do when designing a craft is to shoot large harpoons about 5 ft across in to the pressurized fuselage to see that it don’t blow up.

17 posted on 10/15/2001 4:08:08 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: LS
It discharges accidentally in the air, 250 people or more die. Not smart.

Nor right, either.
If a firearm discharges accidental (not likely with a properly trained user) and if the bullet happens to go in the wrong direction, slow decompression might occur, as opposed to explosive decompression.

An unopposed hijacker, after Sept 11, will pretty much certainly cause the death of the hypothetical 250 people.

18 posted on 10/15/2001 4:12:06 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: LS
Well, now we know who isn't smart. Did you even bother to click on the link and read it?

I'll add my two bits again to the Aircraft Engineers quoted in the article. Having maintained cabin pressurization systems while in the Navy and having performed at least 30 on-ground cabin pressurization tests, I can tell you that one dozen bullet holes in the skin of an airplane flying at 30K feet might make your ears pop, but that's all. The cabin pressurization system can easily handle keeping the cabin pressurized to a safe level.

Any hole smaller than a coffee cup will not significantly affect the pressurization systems on transport aircraft.

Knitebane

19 posted on 10/15/2001 4:14:19 PM PDT by Knitebane
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To: LS
decompression would not be catastrophic like 'james bond' or 'millenium' shows have portrayed it.. it would likely cause the attacker to pass out while the crew got the plane down to higher oxygen altitudes
25 posted on 10/15/2001 4:39:15 PM PDT by RichardEdward
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To: LS
There is no handgun made that can cause explosive decompression of a commercial airliner. Even if one were to empty the magazine through the fuselage, he wouldn't cause explosive decompression.

A few y You are wrong about this. ears ago a plane flying to Hawaii lost 20% of its fuselage and flew 700 miles, landing safely. The only people sucked out were the people right by the whole. Nobody died from lack of oxygen or got sucked out of windows. That doesn't happen. It is movie nonsense that the anti-civil rights extremists spread as fact.

36 posted on 10/15/2001 9:10:40 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: LS
Not smart. Decompression DOES occur, depending on the gun.

Total disarming of everyone boarding an aircraft is what is not smart - the myths list is valid!

If you're so concerned about depressurization, simply issue special "frangible" (right word?) ammo to every armed individual; have a variety of calibers, etc., available by prearrangement, something like ordering a special meal when you buy your ticket - I would be THRILLED to pay for one magazine's worth of the special 9mm HP load - add it to the price of my ticket!!

43 posted on 10/16/2001 1:58:21 PM PDT by mil-vet
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To: LS; Lurker
Rebuttals To Misguided Legislators Who Think Pilots Should Not Be Armed has some pretty good reasons why what you say is not true, including some links to a couple of aircraft engineers explaining it all.
52 posted on 10/16/2001 5:38:52 PM PDT by AKbear
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