[SoothingDave]

Well, we are developing a new threads doctrine here, we only have to repeat ourselves 2 or 3, (not determined yet)times and then we can simply say I handled this question already, let's move along now, because I will not go there again.

As long as we do it with panache, like Commons Question Time for the Prime Minister:

"I refer the right honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago."

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

you guys need to read my last post on the backup site.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Honesty is never so noticable until you do without it for so long.

Dfendr's on a roll, he just got sentence of the day for this on another thread too.

[Aquinasfan]

Seven years prior to the decree of the Fourth Lateran Council regarding "no salvation outside the Church," the pope (Pope Innocent III) who presided over the council wrote in 1208 AD:

“A certain Jew, when at the point of death, since he lived only among Jews, immersed himself in water, while saying I baptize myself in the name of the Father, and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit.. We respond that since there should be a distinction between the one baptizing and the one baptized, as clearly gathered from the words of the Lord when said "Go baptize all nations in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit." The Jew must be baptized again by another. If however such a one had died immediately he would have rushed to his heavenly home without delay because of the faith of the sacrament although not because of the sacrament of faith. Denzinger section 413.”

Seven years prior to the Fourth Lateran Council over which he presided, Innocent III stated that a Jew who died desiring baptism would be "rushed to his heavenly home."

This clearly undermines the rigorist interpretation of the conciliar decree regarding "salvation outside the Church."

AN EXAMINATION OF THE 3 DE FIDE DECREES ON ‘NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH’

A full list of links regarding "salvation outside the Church."

[don-o]

Not addressed to SD. He was just last on the thread.

I was in in the Never Ending Thead from the get-go. I get flagged sometimes, but find the discussion unprofitable. This is posted solely for the benefit of lurkers, and anyone who is honestly struggling toward the Truth.

Protestants have severed themselves from the sacramental life of the Church, thereby rejecting the means for receiving the Holy Spirit, yet they stubboornly cling to their disdain for the understanding of Scripture as expressed by those who did persevere in that Grace-bestowing life, the Apostles, and then the Holy Fathers. This disdain was evident at the very onset of Protestantism.

In 1580 in the collection of letters exchanged between the first Lutheran theologians and the Patriarch of Constantinople, Jeremias, we find these words of the Lutheran professors:

Full article here