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To: vmatt
These verses were not speaking of keeping a literal feast.

Why? Christ took the place of a real lamb for a real feast (Passover).

Paul would not use leavened or unleavened bread regarding a literal feast knowing that it was part of the law done away in Christ.

Why? The real feast used unleavened bread.

Christ's sacrifice was of a piece with the Passover Seder. Why did Christ institute the new covenant within the boundaries of the old (the passover supper, that is)?

You are correct that Easter (and to a similar extent Christmas) have become flooded (and in some cases buried) with pagan ritual signs. But that does not change the real celebration of His death burial and resurrection. Christmas is harder since it does not even correspond to the actual birth day of Christ, but Easter is forever tied to the Passover.

37,524 posted on 03/29/2002 11:52:24 AM PST by IMRight
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To: IMRight
Read this again very carefully. Paul is definately not talking about bread, neither was Christ when he spoke of the leaven of the pharisees.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

37,525 posted on 03/29/2002 12:22:21 PM PST by vmatt
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To: SoothingDave; Invincibly Ignorant; Havoc; the808bass; JHavard; RobbyS; Romulus; wideawake...
It's very quiet in here today. I guess everyone's already gone for the biggest weekend in the church year?

Friday, March 29, 2002
Day of Fast and Abstinence
Good Friday

First Reading:
Responsorial Psalm:
Second Reading:
Gospel:

Isaiah 52:13-15 and 53:1-12
Psalm 31:2, 6, 12-13, 15-17, 25
Hebrews 4:14-16 and 5:7-9
John 18:1-40 and 19:1-42

From St. Alphonsus Liguori, On the Passion and the Death of Jesus Christ (Reflections, XII.5):
Jesus, on the point of dying, said, "It is finished" (John 19:30). And while uttering these words, he ran over in his mind the whole course of his life. He saw all the fatigues he had gone through--the poverty, the pains, the insults; and he offered them all to his Eternal Father for the salvation of the world.

Then, turning himself back again to us, it seems as if he repeated, "It is finished," as though he had said, "All is fulfilled; your redemption is accomplished; the divine justice is satisfied; paradise is opened; and 'behold your time, the time of lovers' (Ezekiel 16:8). It is time at last for you to surrender yourselves to my love. p>"Love me, then, for there is nothing more that I can do in order to be loved by you. You see what I have done to gain your love. For you I have led a life which has been but one series of tribulations. Now I am content to let myself be drained of blood, I have my face spit upon, my flesh torn to pieces, my head crowned with thorns. It only remains for me to die for you. Come, O death; I give you permission to take away my life for the salvation of my flock. And you, my flock, love me, love me; for I can do no more in order to make myself beloved by you."

O Jesus, if only I too, could say in dying, "I have accomplished all that you have given me to do ... I have pleased you in all things." O my God, if I were to die now, I would not die content. But should I always live ungrateful for your love? Lord, grant me the grace to please you during the rest of my life so that, when death comes, I may be able to say to you, that from this time at least I have fulfilled your will.

"Lord, if in the past I have offended you, your death is my hope. For the future, I don't want to betray you anymore. But it is only from you that I can hope to remain faithful. By your merits, O my Jesus, I ask and hope it from you."

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Y'all have a great weekend and Resurrection Sunday. May God bless you abundantly.

AC

37,526 posted on 03/29/2002 12:26:11 PM PST by al_c
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To: vmatt;IMRight
Paul would not use leavened or unleavened bread regarding a literal feast knowing that it was part of the law done away in Christ.

???

Matt 5:17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

1 Cor 15:27 "For God has put all things in subjection under his feet." [?] But when it says, "All things are put in subjection under him," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one. 29 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? 30 Why am I in peril every hour?
Hebrews 2:8 putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him
10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet.

Matt 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. 4 They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger.
37,533 posted on 03/29/2002 12:54:15 PM PST by israelite98
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To: IMRight;vmatt
IMRight;vmatt

v>These verses were not speaking of keeping a literal feast.

IMR>Why? Christ took the place of a real lamb for a real feast (Passover).

v>Paul would not use leavened or unleavened bread regarding a literal feast knowing that it was part of the law done away in Christ.

IMR>Why? The real feast used unleavened bread.

IMR>Christ's sacrifice was of a piece with the Passover Seder. Why did Christ institute the new covenant within the boundaries of the old (the passover supper, that is)?

IMR>You are correct that Easter (and to a similar extent Christmas) have become flooded (and in some cases buried) with pagan ritual signs. But that does not change the real celebration of His death burial and resurrection. Christmas is harder since it does not even correspond to the actual birth day of Christ, but Easter is forever tied to the Passover.

37524 posted on 3/29/02 1:52 PM Mountain by IMRight

The L-rd's Supper is a pesach seder up through but not including the last "cup of the vine" (Matthew 26)

The last cup is drunk at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Revelation 19

chuck <truth@Y'shuaHaMashiach>

37,541 posted on 03/29/2002 2:30:17 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
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