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To: hopefulpilgrim
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Your "purgatory" took place on Calvary? I fear you don't know what purgatory is. Answer me this: are you now perfect, without any sin, desire to sin, selfishness, anything unholy?

Of course I am not sinless. As long as I live in this body of flesh, it will "set its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh" (Gal. 5:17).

OK. Not now perfect. Check.

And I know what "purgatory" is supposed to be. But it isn't real, SD. There is no such place or experience.

Then you go to heaven dirty?

There is heaven, and there is hell, there is no in-between. I was saying that my CLEANSING (as in purgatory) took place at the cross where Christ suffered the penalty and punishment for my sins and for my impurity.

That was a long time ago. If the cleansing "took place" (note past tense) at Calvary, why are you not clean?

Even now, the effects of His death are still working, for the Holy Spirit says through John that "the blood of Jesus Christ His Son is cleansing us from sin." (John 1:7-9).

Now we're getting somewhere. "Is cleansing" is indicative of a process still occuring. When will it be finished?

As ksen said, "the animal sacrifices of the OT never actually took away sin; they merely covered them until Jesus came and performed the perfect sacrifice which did not just cover sin, but actually did away with the sin." Ksen supported what he said by quoting a passage from Hebrews 10 where Christ says to the Father, "Behold, I have come to do Thy will, O God." Then in v. 10: "By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." And v. 12-14: "And every priest stands daily, ministering and offering the same sacrifices which can never take away sins: But this man (Jesus Christ) after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God...For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified." Cogitate on this passage, Dave...mull it over and over. Let the truth sink in----there is no need for purgatory. Jesus paid it ALL.

Typical ignorance. I thought you said above you understood Purgatory. It is not a work we do, it is the process whereby the fruits of Christ's sacrifice are applied to us, to purify us. Mull that over. Let the truth sink in. If your cleansing is not finished while you are alive, it will be finished after you die and before you go to Heaven. Jesus paid it ALL.

SD

3,613 posted on 10/29/2001 7:34:17 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; hopefulpilgrim; ksen
As ksen said, "the animal sacrifices of the OT never actually took away sin; they merely covered them

ksen, did you say this?

3,620 posted on 10/29/2001 7:40:53 AM PST by malakhi
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To: SoothingDave
Are you cleansed with real fire in purgatory? The official Church position please.
3,855 posted on 10/29/2001 12:53:16 PM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: SoothingDave
Typical ignorance. I thought you said above you understood Purgatory. It is not a work we do, it is the process whereby the fruits of Christ's sacrifice are applied to us, to purify us. Mull that over. Let the truth sink in. If your cleansing is not finished while you are alive, it will be finished after you die and before you go to Heaven. Jesus paid it ALL.

And what ARE the fruits of Christ's sacrifice which will be applied to you in this fictional world you'll be living in?

4,061 posted on 10/29/2001 11:52:32 PM PST by hopefulpilgrim
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