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To: OLD REGGIE
Temporal Punishment: That temporal punishment is due to sin, even after the sin itself has been pardoned by God, is clearly the teaching of Scripture.

Hi, Reggie. The CE gave no references to support this statement?

3,238 posted on 10/26/2001 10:45:21 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: hopefulpilgrim
"Temporal Punishment: That temporal punishment is due to sin, even after the sin itself has been pardoned by God, is clearly the teaching of Scripture." (CE)

Hi, Reggie. The CE gave no references to support this statement?

Well, yes there are references to the OT, Apocrypha, and NT. I reviewed the NT references and could see no relationship to the claim. I did not look at the OT simply because I believe the rules changed with the New Covenant and, since the Apocrypha is fake anyway, I wouldn't look there.

CE "PROOFS": (NT only)

New Testament

There are several passages in the New Testament that point to a process of purification after death. Thus, Jesus Christ declares (Matthew 12:32): "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come." According to St. Isidore of Seville (Deord. creatur., c. xiv, n. 6) these words prove that in the next life "some sins wil be forgiven and purged away by a certain purifying fire." St. Augustine also argues "that some sinners are not forgiven either in this world or in the next would not be truly said unless there were other [sinners] who, though not forgiven in this world, are forgiven in the world to come" (De Civ. Dei, XXI, xxiv). The same interpretation is given by Gregory the Great (Dial., IV, xxxix); St. Bede (commentary on this text); St. Bernard (Sermo lxvi in Cantic., n. 11) and other eminent theological writers.

A further argument is supplied by St. Paul in I Cor., iii, 11-1,5: "For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." While this passage presents considerable difficulty, it is regarded by many of the Fathers and theologians as evidence for the existence of an intermediate state in which the dross of lighter transgressions will be burnt away, and the soul thus purified will be saved. This, according to Bellarmine (De Purg., I, 5), is the interpretation commonly given by the Fathers and theologians; and he cites to this eftect:
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Best for you to read the entire CE article.

PURGATORY
3,252 posted on 10/27/2001 7:46:33 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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