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To: Steven
If all you're gonna do is post at me and not listen to what I say I'm afraid I'm gonna have to expose your lies about what I said. Please stop doing that. It lays bare your disingenuousness when ya try to warm up to the non-catholics.

You may remember that the original issue was something a non-Catholic had posted that I felt was way over the line (no point in rehashing it, he apologized). I was concerned that my rebuke would be ignored because I was Catholic & he might not see me as a Christian brother. So I was calling you in for help. Instead of saying "Hey bro' that's a little extreme, I believe your initial response was:

No different than SoothingDave calling him an ---hole. Police your own and ya may have some credibility.

Not that you disagreed with what he was saying.
You and I passed the argument back and forth in the way you have depicted (although you conveniently forgot your first response to make me look bad?) and I believe I apologized in #1442.

My post (that you obviously seem to have some issues with), was an attempt (appearently a poor one) at humor which I presume was the tone of your initial respose (are you slamming the HS? or just me? or some such).

If that didn't come across well... it's probably my lack of eloquence, not your misinterpretation.

1,916 posted on 10/22/2001 1:17:34 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: hopefulpilgrim
Many Protestants seem to think that the Catholic position is that Mary had somehow "earned" Christ by being the best person (works righteousness), or that we believe that she could have gotten to Heaven on her own (again because she was such a "good" person. Neither of the above is true (quasi-Catholic voodoo types in Brazil notwithstanding).

We believe that, or something similar, to be the Catholic position because Catholics keep telling us that she was born without a sin nature and that she ought to be "venerated" because of her lofty position as the "Mother of God" or "Queen of Heaven."

And we close our ears to their further explanations. Don't forget that. After seven months here there are still people who won't put 2 and 2 together to call Mary theotokos because of what they think it means, instead of what it actually means. Despite repeated clarifications.

SD

1,923 posted on 10/22/2001 1:23:15 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: IMRight
Not that you disagreed with what he was saying. You and I passed the argument back and forth in the way you have depicted (although you conveniently forgot your first response to make me look bad?) and I believe I apologized in #1442.

You did apologize for it but after this morning's post I concluded you didn't really mean it. My 1st reponse was to make my point and not to necessarily make you personally look bad. I wanted to make you collectively look bad. But that's not the issue anyway, I don't like it when people lie about what I say. That's what you did plain and simple. And I'm gonna call ya on it just as I would expect the same from you.

1,995 posted on 10/22/2001 2:27:30 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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