The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[al_c]

Just a little irritation like al_c's PRAY FOR JOHN PAUL II.

Huh? I thought dignan was the one posting that.

[SoothingDave]

My source says that the first person to be paid to play football was former Yale All-American guard William (Pudge) Heffelfinger, who was paid $500 to play for the Allegany Athletic Association club against their rival the Pittsburgh Athletic Club, November 12th, 1892. The AAA won the game 4-0 when Heffelfinger picked up a PAC fumble and ran 25 yards for a touchdown. In 1895, John Brallier became the first football player to openly turn pro, accepting $10 and expenses to play for the Latrobe YMCA against the Jeannette Athletic Club.

Well, yeah, history rolls on. There are folks who aren't even in Pennsylvania who claim to have the first pro player. Historians can debate about it, but the NFL declared Latrobe the birthplace of pro football. It even says as much at the Latrobe stadium. The NFL has spoken.

SD

[eastsider]

I've tried to post it twice for you, but it's not taking. The verse you're thinking of is Lk16:8.

[eastsider]

Don't you mean "blatantly" ... at the batter's head?

One can only hope.

[SoothingDave]

Just a little irritation like al_c's PRAY FOR JOHN PAUL II.

Huh? I thought dignan was the one posting that.

Yeah, but you were thinking it.

SD

[al_c]

Basiles still owes me a trip to the church service of my choice and hasn't paid up.

LOL! After all this time, still no bet payment?

[malakhi]

How about IFBB. Independent Fundamental Bible Believer:) LOL!!!

Works for me! ;o)

[al_c]

ya sure the h doesn't go in front of the a? lol. (that wasn't mature)

I knew I could count on you to post that! LOL!!!!!!

[al_c]

Yeah, but you were thinking it.

SoothingDave ... mindreader. ;o)

Pray for SoothingDave

;o)

[eastsider]

For the same reason we have the "Colorado Rockies" and the "Florida Marlins". Some marketing genius thought that you'd sell more tickets and merchandise if you named the team after the state than after the city.

My grandfather told me that there were originally one NL and one AL team in each of X number of cities, each named after the city. I suppose with the anathema of regular-season interleague play upon us, this hardly matters any more. If they ever switch to aluminum bats, I suppose I'll just have to pack it in.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Hey guys, Who was gripping about bandwith over the plan of salvation awhile back:)

Becky

[malakhi]

It was going on about Sunday around 4:00, don't know the post number.

Thanks Becky, I found it. Looks like 'Conservative til I die' started it with his #3271, but no one really took him to task until 'nobdysfool' in #3302, a few hours later. Then, as a certain IFBB said, "Now it could get interesting!".

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Thanks! Your not so bad afterall:) Just kidding.

Becky

[RobbyS]

Aove I said:The Bible, as interpreted by men who have rejected the authority of the Church hiearchy, is the sole rule of faith and nothing not explicitly stated in the Bible is the word of God. The problem I see is that nothing in the New Testament explicitly says this.

To which you said in answer: The Bible is God's revealed Word, and complete in all matters of faith and Godliness.

The Bible is "complete" in that it consists of a closed canon to which nothing has been added since the 4th Century. Would those who closed the canon have included any works as Scripture which they though inconsisent with the doctrine they taught or the liturgy they employed? Yet this was substantially what is now taught by the Catholic and the Orthodox churches, doctrines which Protestants reject.

The convoluted Catholic Church hierarchy is not found in the Bible, nor is its practice of priests and bishops standing between the people and God. Jesus is our High Priest, who ministers before the Throne of God, and it is He who has bought our passage into the Holy of Holies with His own Blood, that we may stand before God's Throne and petition God directly for those things we desire of Him. It is He who we are to confess our sins to, it is He who we are to draw near to in fellowship and worship. I repeat, there is one mediator between God and man, the Man, Jesus Christ. We are all Christ's representatives here on earth. The division of the church into clergy and laity is an artificial division, created by men to maintain and exert control over the masses. The ground is level at the foot of the cross, there everyone is equal.

You, like Luther, BEGIN with the rejection of the authority of the hierarchy and THEN turn to the Scripture to justify what was for him and all ex-Catholics an act of rebellion and for Protestants in general a basic principle. Protestantism is what remains of Christianity without a priesthood, and I think it it as the artifice of men attenpting to begin from scratch and rebuild the church from what they can find in Scripture.Having rejected hierarchy, of course they see none there.

If I may pretend to read the New Testament naively--which is something I think impossible--still I see a hierarchy. Peter is the obvious leader of the Twelve and chief spokesman. Paul "fathers" churches and leaves behind "bishops" like Timothy to minister to their needs after the Apsotle has passed on. aAccording to Acts, Paul himself went to Peter and to the Church--- to "ground himself" in the Truth, so that after failing as a missionary, he now begins his success story. No, the Peter of Acts was no "pope," No "prelate of Rome" but now only the outstanding personality in the Church. "Running the Church" was not his job. Peter "founds" the church of Rome not by ecclesiastical edict but by becoming a martyr in Rome, a city favored also by the martyrdom of Paul. From this seed grew the institution of the papacy. Those obscessed with primitiveness will no more see John Paul II in Peter than the sophisticate will see the man in the fetus, but I have no difficulty with this"convoluted" mustard tree.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

LOL, I like that better. Sorry for the accusation. Since you post the scripture readings from Mass, I was thinking that was where the "Pray for" was.

Becky

[al_c]

Hey guys, Who was gripping about bandwith over the plan of salvation awhile back:)

Is this a trick question? ;o)

I think maybe it was Jerry Jones, or was it Brett Favor (after all, isn't that the way it should be pronounced?).

[al_c]

Since you post the scripture readings from Mass, I was thinking that was where the "Pray for" was.

Your memory is better than you think it is. Dig used to post the readings and followed them with the standard "Pray for JPII"

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Now wait a minute I was trying to shame them to get it to stop, when I said "now I know why the regulars quite on the weekends." It just didn't work.

Becky

[eastsider]

My time with AOG while in the Army continues to pay handsome dividends. : )

[SoothingDave]

Hey guys, Who was gripping about bandwith over the plan of salvation awhile back:) Is this a trick question? ;o)

Just say something about horses. :-)

SD