Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
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What was it about?
BigMack
I just tried it, and it came up fine, but I think her #17 post was a commie fink.(^g^)Lol
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. (Matthew 6:14-15)
Actually, they went 80 and got fined. ;o)
I quite aware of this Angelo. IMRight is forgiven. My mistake is that I probably shouldn't have been airing this for all to see Matthew 18:14-16 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But now that you've involved yourself you should know that the apology I received was unrelated to the charge I brought before him.
Its somewhat disconcerting as well that the New Testament you spend time and energy belittling is now miraculously at your disposal. That rings hollow as well.
Oh just a shameful promotion of Chris Matthews' latest book. lol. Kinda surprised me.
Change "shameful" to "shameless".
But now that you've involved yourself
As you pointed out, you aired this for all to see. If you wanted your communication private, you should have gone to freepmail. I don't think there is any 'unwritten rule' prohibiting me from commenting on a post that is not directed towards me. In my opinion, your replies to IMRight's peace overtures have been uncharitable. So you don't think the apology you received adequately addressed the charge you laid against him. What're you gonna do, keep the chip on your shoulder, or turn the other cheek?
Its somewhat disconcerting as well that the New Testament you spend time and energy belittling is now miraculously at your disposal. That rings hollow as well.
My we are testy. May I remind you, Steven, that you were the person who encouraged me to enter into this fray in the first place. Now you complain about my 'belittling' the New Testament? You know I'm a Jew, you shouldn't be surprised that I disagree with you about the gospels' inspiration. That being said, I've quoted from the Christian scriptures throughout my participation here. Occasionally in support of a point by someone on your side. In this particular case, I was reminding you of something that you yourself should be striving to follow as a disciple of Jesus. What, I shouldn't tell you to be a good Christian? I can go ahead and make my point from the Hebrew scriptures, if it would make you feel better:
...Forgive, I pray you, the transgression of your brothers and their sin, because they did evil to you. (Genesis 50:17)
Yesterday, I chided SD for being surly, and suggested that perhaps he needed a break from the thread. I now suggest the same to you. If my mild remark, a simple quote from Jesus, no less, was enough to raise your hackles, perhaps you need some time away. Frankly, you haven't been the same since you had the flu. Everything okay?
What is willful sin? And, how would you define the opposite of willful sin?
So what you said, is that those who may have gone to hell because they didn't keep your man made law, they will stay there even though the command has been rescinded now?
You should all be real proud of your selves, if that isn't a perfect example of putting a millstone about someone’s neck, I don't know what is.
Do you feel the least bit responsible for all those lives?
And they may spend eternity in hell for a catholic whim?
I am so thankful that I haven't got that on my conscience.
To the Catholic it is analog all the way. Grace is a commodity, it is a gift of God Himself which transforms us inside. We can never get enough while we are here and we can lose it if we don't treasure it. (I've always thought of this as "enabling grace.")
But I'm having trouble with this one:
To a non-Catholic or Orthodox Christian "grace" is a state of being. You are either in it or not.
What do you mean by "You are either in it (grace) or not"? Thanks.
Sometimes I think this thread would be more aptly named: "Dancing about archeology".
No, as a matter of fact in my last post I said I wasn't gonna pursue it anymore but then you fanned the flames.
My we are testy. May I remind you, Steven, that you were the person who encouraged me to enter into this fray in the first place. Now you complain about my 'belittling' the New Testament?
When you belittle the New Testament, yes, I'm gonna complain about it. What? I can't have an opinion about the way you treat New Testament scripture? If you're using it in theological discussion fine. But to point out another's tresspass using scripture you don't believe is inspirational is not credible.
You know I'm a Jew, you shouldn't be surprised that I disagree with you about the gospels' inspiration.
No I'm not surprised you disagree about the Gospel's inspiration. Only a little taken aback that would use it as such. You're well within your rights to point out my hypocrisy in the matter of forgiveness as long as I can point out that it's somewhat hypocrital for you to use the NT, not in theological debate, but to chastise. And yes it makes me feel much better that you use Hebrew Scripture to make your point cuz then I know you're being sincere.
I was reminding you of something that you yourself should be striving to follow as a disciple of Jesus. What, I shouldn't tell you to be a good Christian?
No. Would you want me to tell you ya oughta be a better Jew?
Yesterday, I chided SD for being surly, and suggested that perhaps he needed a break from the thread. I now suggest the same to you. If my mild remark, a simple quote from Jesus, no less, was enough to raise your hackles, perhaps you need some time away. Frankly, you haven't been the same since you had the flu. Everything okay?
I probably do need some time away.
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I believe 3 years is the accurate amount of time to hear the New Testament in its entirety preached from attending Mass. By and large, any Catholic who regularly attends Mass will hear a huge amount more of Scripture proclaimed than a non-Catholic Christian who regularly attends worship service.
Willful,...Intentional, with forethought, and from the dictionary, done on purpose, intended, etc.
Opposite of willful, unintentional, with out forethought, not done on purpose, not intended.
Example, your channel surfing late at night, you are the only one up, and you come on a sexual scene, how long does it take you to send a message to the remote, that this will hurt me spiritually if I watch it, and even though you did see it, it wasn't willful, but if you know to switch channels, and instead you continue to watch it, that is willful, and you are loosing a little of your Holy Spirit, and your human Spirit is growing again.
IMO, One Spirit is always growing in us, and our hope is that the Holy Spirit will eventually be the dominating one. That’s just my personal opinion, and the way I think of it that helps me to overcome my carnal pulls of the flesh.
I also feel that once you have God's Spirit, you may not allow it to grow as much as you should, but it never leaves you, or dies, and when we are quickened, our Spirit glory will be in size , proportion to our Holy Spirit that we have been hopefully allowing to grow since the inception of it.
Our brightness in our Glorified bodies will be in direct proportions to our good works we have done in our lifetime, and how much of God's Spirit has grown within us.
This is from no doctrine I have ever read, simply what God's Spirit reveals to me to encourage me to keep on.
I still don't see how what I posted constituted a fanning of the flames. Oh well.
When you belittle the New Testament, yes, I'm gonna complain about it
Quoting it constitutes belittling it?
I can't have an opinion about the way you treat New Testament scripture?
Of course you can.
But to point out another's tresspass using scripture you don't believe is inspirational is not credible.
How so? It may not be 'my scripture', but it is your scripture.
And yes it makes me feel much better that you use Hebrew Scripture to make your point cuz then I know you're being sincere.
I can see this in a sense. Nevertheless, I think it is more important what the quote means to you than what it means to me. Also, don't assume that just because I don't accept the Christian scriptures as a whole as being inspired, that I do not agree with certain parts of it. A great deal of it, logically enough, is very much in line with Judaism.
Would you want me to tell you ya oughta be a better Jew?
YES! Steven, if you see me licking my chops in anticipation of savoring a bacon cheeseburger, I'd hope you would call me on it. That the dietary laws don't apply to you doesn't change the fact that they do apply to me. A friend would point out if I was about to do something that compromised my own principles.
I probably do need some time away.
Me too. Wanna take a break together? Say until next Monday?
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