Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: ZULU
The U.S. has the highest firearm murder rate of any democracy in the world (Aitkens 5).

Lie#1. I believe Mexico and Russia are democracies. Their murder rates are I believe double ours. Also, it doesn't matter if it is a firearm murder rate. I care about TOTAL murder rates.

But, if pressure was applied to all aspects of gun employment - production, ownership, and most importantly dealership - a majority of problems could be controlled.
How?

Since there are two sides to every debate, the antithesis of this position views gun control as unnecessary. This view is strongly held by the National Rifle Association, a very powerful organization, which has nearly 3 million members and an annual budget of 88 million dollars.

5 Million members now.

The NRA is highly effective in motivating thousands of gun owners into action against gun control legislation. Lobbying, advertisements, letter-writing campaigns, and contributions to political candidates who oppose gun control have been some of the establishment's most effective strategies in its fight against tighter firearms laws.

That is correct. It's called politics. On the other hand, all the anti-gun stuff comes from the top down through the Joyce, Tides, and Tsunami Foundations.

Most members of the NRA believe that restricting firearms to prevent gun-related deaths is ridiculous.

It is. It doesn't word. Washington DC is a perfect example.

The whole idea of restricting firearms can seem absurd when contrasted with information published by the National Rifle Association which states that in reality over 99.8 percent of firearms and 99.6 percent of handguns will never be involved in criminal activity. This means that gun control laws would restrict law-abiding citizens, while doing nothing to reduce crime (Aitkens 13-15).

The following twenty-seven words of the Second Amendment have caused quite a bit of confusion for the past two hundred years:

A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed (Landau 44).

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. But to whom does it guarantee the right? Everybody? Whom exactly did the people who wrote the amendment have in mind? Let's not forget, this was written over two hundred years ago when life was different.

So what? The PURPOSE hasn't changed one bit. Have you read Federalist 46? The second amendment is to protect the people from tyrannical governments, foreign or domestic. That was the words, not from a nut, but from James Madison.

At that time hunting was a major means of getting food and guns were required to protect oneself and one's property from hostile Native Americans and other intruders.

Hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. And protection of property is still relavent today as much as before.

In other words, what a car is to an American today, a rifle was to an American back then - a bare necessity (Gottfried 26-31). Another problem about this Amendment is that there are many interpretations of what several of the words in the short text mean. For example, people , according to many, refers to all individual American citizens.

People means a group of persons. It's pretty simple.

Others believe that people is simply avoiding the use of the word militia again, but the two are used in the same sense. In other words, people , used here does not indicate a right of all individuals, but only of those selected few who belong to a militia (which at that time included almost all the males living in a colony).

Federalist 46 explains this again as well. Who is the militia? Look to the founders.

Afore mentioned NRA statistics seem overwhelming, and, perhaps, conclusive. However, they are rather meaningless since they do not manage to explain the damages caused by those mere 0.2 percent (for firearms) and 0.4 percent (for handguns). The following are some statistics gathered by Maggi Aitkens: The number of people murdered by firearms rose 160 percent between the years 1960 and 1980, comparing to an increase of 85 percent for people who were murdered by other means.

It's decreased since 1992.

Every day in the United States, 10 children ages 18 and under are killed by handguns, mainly by accident.

That's incorrect. It's mostly by SUICIDE, which is a choice. It's also not BY a gun, but WITH a gun.

Another 100 children are seriously injured.

A teenager intentionally takes his or her own life with the use of a handgun every three hours. In general, as the years go by, guns tend to outweigh all other methods of suicides, and this includes adults, as well. (pg. 6-7)

So what? It's a person's choice, although a sad one.

We're not calling for a total ban on firearms.

The actions of Handgun Control say otherwise.

We're calling for national laws that stop criminal access to handguns and ensure the appropriate use of firearms - the same way laws require people to use an automobile appropriately.

That's impossible. Criminal will always be able to get a gun. Again, Washington DC has among the highest murder rate in the world, and has a gun ban.

In a country where cars, dogs, and even bicycles must be registered in most areas, shouldn't we have at least similar laws for something as dangerous as firearms?" (Aitkens, 11-12)

Michigan has gun registration, and has one of the higher murder rates in the country.

According to Whitmore, no one from Handgun Control, a non-profit organization, believes gun control laws alone will stop all handgun violence. She goes on to say "We're not that naive. The fact is, gun control is only part of the answer - but it's a very important part. We believe it will make a significant dent in the number of needless handgun and other firearm deaths in this country."

Again, how?

Although both favor crime reduction, Handgun Control employs a strategy which addresses the problem of gun-related accidents, suicides, and crimes before they happen by requiring a background search. This background search is opposed by the NRA because they believe that the assumption of innocence makes this unnecessary.

The NRA is not opposed to background checks if they are INSTANT checks and the records are destroyed.

A constant complaint is that gun control works against people who obey the law. This is unfortunate, but people should learn to cope with this. Why is that? Some people simply have to lose or give up what they want for the sake of the majority. Since picking a criminal out of a crowd is impossible, it should be assumed that anyone and everyone could be a criminal.

That's the problem with the Anti-Self Defense lobby.

Laws of prohibition or control must be set up for everybody, including those individuals who would not present any problems. Criminals have easy access to guns, and the only way of stopping them from obtaining them, is by unfortunately restricting easy access of guns for everyone.

There isn't easy access to guns for law abiding citizens. Not legally.

A waiting period would prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands.

How? That doesn't even make sense. Background checks take 3 minutes. I know. I bought a gun before.

Gun control is necessary in our violent society. Gun registration, permits to purchase, license to own, and license to carry are very important safety precautions.

It doesn't work in Michigan.

The documentation is very important as it monitors transfers between dealer and buyer. Documentation must be enforced to such a degree that it is either unavoidable, or a person simply cannot get a gun.

Documentation and Registration doesn't work and leads to confiscation, if the majority of politicians are those with views like Dianne Feinstein, Rod Blagojevich, Laura Baird, John Schwarz, and Howard Metzenbaum.

Although convincing statistics have been cited, they alone are not enough. It is public opinion that shapes the government. Numerous polls and surveys indicate the majority want enforcement of current legislature regarding guns and firearms.

However those that back the Anti Self-Defense lobby generally lose elections in many areas outside of Calfornia and New York. And also, why should Americans in places like Livingston County Michigan be punished with draconian laws, because LA 2500 miles away can't control their murder rate?

Since more gun related crimes are committed in the USA than any other country in the world,

Again, Mexico and Russia say otherwise.

the United States needs to improve its gun policies.

I agree. We have too many gun laws

Keeping people on record would allow strict control of guns. "People" are all involved; manufacturers, dealer, buyers, and most importantly, users.

And the crime would be rising afterwars as it is once again in California.

There is another thing not mentioned. Guns are used as many as 2.5 million times a year in self defense.(SOurce Gary Kleck). Also, states that allow conceal carry have lower crime rates than states that do not allowed concealed carry. You can also compare Macomb County with Wayne County in Michigan. Macomb County had right to carry. Wayne County did not. Macomb County had 10 murders and has a million people. Wayne County had 430 and 2 million people.

19 posted on 10/14/2001 10:07:46 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: Dan from Michigan
Wow! You devastated the arguments of that high school kid from New Jersey. Maybe we can get a hold of some of his other homework - I bet we could find lots of mistakes in it too. If only the other side was always represented by tenth grade kids. Man, that would be sweet.
22 posted on 10/14/2001 10:46:34 AM PDT by foxylady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

To: Dan from Michigan
Man...you picked that apart SOOOOO NICE!!!

Bookmarked!

24 posted on 10/14/2001 10:54:12 AM PDT by Mercuria
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson