To: annalex; The Kitten; Askel5
That is why I stressed the need to identify and work with indigenous Muslim elements of each nation involved. The Japanese model is a poor one. In that case the opposition organized itself into a regular uniformed military. In this case (much as it was in Vietnam), the opponent is well hidden and dispersed within a sympathetic native population (including our own, which has its own sympathetic elements).
This is a political and religious war. We can fight parts of it militarily, but it must be won polititically and morally. We can and must use covert action to quietly eliminate the militant Islamic leadership. Anything else consolidates a sympathetic population into a global oppostion and will turn into a genocidal bloodbath.
Here are some concrete suggestions of what I mean:
- Withdraw from the United Nations and disavow Global Governance as a corrupt Socialist scam of population control and genocide to gain world domination. If the US did withdraw and repudiate the UN the Islamic world would stand up and cheer.
- Limit the export of our NGO charity groups to emergency aid systems that do not destroy indigenous food productivity. Our food aid programs have tended to destroy local ag markets. As much as I like sending our stupid control freak liberills overseas, the worldwide reaction may be to stuff them down our throats. There are better ways to render aid that start with holding to technical education.
- Stop trying to destroy their moral infrastructure. As the Kitten so aptly pointed out, NGO moralizing, tolerance to gays, women's activism, and the like have been a direct attack on the moral and religious life of these peoples. It also threatens them with the genocide of AIDS. They don't want it and will fight to defend their religious lives in that regard alone.
- Cancel the h1B visa program. Why should we import trouble makers in the name of cheaper labor? We end up spending the money in military protection of multinational interests that do not mean us well. Let them be unstable and the corporations will learn the benefits of saying home. Sending home their best and brightest would do a lot to strengthen their desire and ability to join the modern world. As it is, we have been operating a global brain drain at their expense and the expense of our own children. Heck, it might even get us to confront the reality of our own educational systems.
In short, start acting like a nation interested in treating them like one. Develop our strengths and let them stew in their weaknesses until they figure it out. Start respecting their sovereignty, if for no other reason, to protect our own. Develop within their countries those individual leaders with respect for the rule of law, and murder ruthlessly and quietly in the dead of night any bastard who threatens to take his case against the US.
To: Carry_Okie
You are one of the very few here with whom I agree almost completely. (WRT to Islamic terrorism, anyway!)
Get rid of the terrorists and let the Muslim world figure out how to solve its own problems. And one of them is going to be how to live with Israel.
To: Carry_Okie
I agree with your program almost entirely. I could probably pick out an item or two where I suspect a disagreement over the details, not worth going into at this point.
Our disagreement is that in my view the program in #37 is not enough to protect our lives and property at this point. Before we rebuild our foreign policy as per #37, we should occupy the countries that bred the terrorists or otherwise install governments there that can do our bidding on matters of security. Osama, Hezbollah and the like will not stop to hate us if we reform our charities or repeal H1B. Thus we need governments there that use sufficient force to deprive the terrorists of oxygen, while attractive to the passive Muslims. Such governments will not develop there organically, they have to be created top-down, a la General MacArthur.
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10/14/2001 6:31:02 PM PDT by
annalex
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