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BEWARE OF SWARTHY MEN CARRYING CAMERAS (FBI Getting "a lot" of Reports)
October 11, 2001 | be-baw

Posted on 10/11/2001 1:49:43 PM PDT by be-baw

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To: be-baw
Maybe they did take your call seriously.
They just didn't want you to know that.
It could start a "kill the A-rabs that have cameras" campaign if they made a big deal out of it.
I think he took notes, but he could have at least sounded a little interested, anyway.
41 posted on 10/11/2001 2:26:23 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: be-baw
Could have been a test to see if you would let them in.
42 posted on 10/11/2001 2:28:05 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: be-baw
I posted on this forum the presence of more Muslims (with cameras) at the Barkhamsted Reservoir Dam in the week following 9/11 than I've ever seen before in all the years of driving over it.

I posited that it could just be the work of my own hightened paranoia. But who knows?

43 posted on 10/11/2001 2:28:42 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: be-baw
>Has anyone else had or heard of similar incidents?

My favorite, so far, is this one:

A suspicious librarian in Canton alerted authorities who called in the FBI after the man visited the library as many as five or six times and asked for detailed maps of Canton's water system and books concerning microbiology and animal borne diseases according to Friday's Akron Beacon Journal.

Among the things the man sought were maps of waterlines running under Interstate 77 to Canton's Mercy Medical Center, the librarian told the Beacon Journal, which added that the water main, coincidentally, broke a few weeks ago.

``The questions we normally get from (foreigners) are about green cards or learning English,'' the librarian told the Beacon Journal. ``Usually people don't come in asking about water maps.''

The man said he had worked in a medical lab in Egypt and had been able to identify parasites in people that couldn't be found by others.

The librarian told the newspaper about his first meeting with the man who the FBI refuses to identify by name. ``It was a long discussion,'' the librarian said. ``Eventually, I got the word `parasites' out of him. He was very interested in parasites that travel from animals to people.
Ohio Site of New FBI Terrorist Probe

What are we to make of something like this? (And remember the guy asking questions about crop dusting planes? Or the guy who asked a flight instructor if he could just learn how to turn a plane...)

I mean, many of these terrorists turn out to be wiz kids. Often they're the sons of diplomats who've had $$ educations. Sometimes they even turn out to be former US special forces who've gone turncoat (I saw that one on CNN the other night). Would any such person do some of the things these people are apparently doing?

On the other hand, don't some of these incidents sound remarkably like many of the "Lee Harvey Oswald" incidents that occurred (or, I suppose, "occurred") prior to JFK? (The rifle range, the street pamphlets, the Russian embassy...)

Mark W.

45 posted on 10/11/2001 2:31:23 PM PDT by MarkWar
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To: be-baw
While I agree this sounds very suspicious look at it from the FBI's side. They have a caller that *says* that three arabic men showing up looking to photograph a place. No positive id, no license plate, no nothing.
Not much to go on, right? However I do think they should send a local agent out there to look over the place. Do you make anything hazardous (ie a fireworks factory) or have a lot of people in your place at one time?
46 posted on 10/11/2001 2:31:38 PM PDT by lelio
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To: DJ88
"but forgive me because I have 4 kids running in and out of the house
showing me all kinds of "bugs", "worms" and other such creatures they have found."

God Bless You and Your Family

PS The President did ask all Americans to resume their daily lives and that is what the kids are doing. LOL
47 posted on 10/11/2001 2:31:38 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: be-baw
If you have any information regarding the September 11 attacks and the nineteen individuals identified as hijackers of the four crashed airliners, please call the toll-free telephone number 1-866-483-5137. A form has also been placed on the Internet at http://www.ifccfbi.gov to report information. For information on Victim/Witness assistance related to September 11, visit http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/vfa/.
48 posted on 10/11/2001 2:32:33 PM PDT by antonia
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Thanks for this imfo.
49 posted on 10/11/2001 2:34:17 PM PDT by BushWonGore'sDone
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To: be-baw; ALL
Gee, sounds like you may need to talk to a guy named David Schippers. Sounds like ya'll may have something in common....
50 posted on 10/11/2001 2:34:26 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: Wm Bach
Barkhamsted Reservoir Dam

Keep that place safe, I grew up just a few miles from there and spent many happy weekends with the boy scouts camping in the local hills.

51 posted on 10/11/2001 2:34:34 PM PDT by OnSafariInBlueZone
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To: Mr. D
I live in the DC Metro area, and last Tuesday, a listener of WMAL Radio called in ...

Chris Core also read an e-mail of some guys takin pictures of a local mall.

I like the camera idea.
52 posted on 10/11/2001 2:38:58 PM PDT by lizma
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To: MississippiMan
It's been my experience that people in general just aren't getting it.

That sums up the Situation pretty well right now. Many people really aren't getting it. There seems to be no comprehension of the seriousness of the Situation, or its potential extent for further death, destruction and damage.

The President said we are "at war." Whether a war is Declared or not, we must take President Bush seriously when he said we are "at war." In war the enemy gathers intelligence, creates diversions, and counterattacks. In this new asymetrical warfare, the distinction between citizen and soldier is beginning to blur.

My guess is that those "students" taking photos of power plants, dams, factories, government buildings and what not are actively involved in an intelligence-gathering operation, and must be assumed to be doing so. (In War, there's really no such thing as "innocent until proven guilty," which was WHY the Founders put into the Constitution the provision for suspending Habeas Corpus during wartime emergencies.)

53 posted on 10/11/2001 2:40:27 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: be-baw
Has anyone else had or heard of similar incidents? What do you make of it? What do you make of the FBI's response?

Yes, during and after the Carter Administration, I began to hear about this type of thing commonly when I was a reporter. The basic problems now seems to be that all FBI agents today are usually busy all the time investigating “more important” leads regarding all sorts of crimes and investigations. Based on what I’ve read in the past, apparent back in the old days, when J. Edgar Hoover was in control of the FBI, he had a large list of regular informants (maybe thousands of them) that helped FBI agents conduct investigations and who helped the agents keep an eye on all sorts of criminals, commies, KKK groups, black power groups, and potential law-breakers. But after the Church Committee hearings of 1976 and especially during the Carter Administration, the liberal politicians and media kept insisting that the FBI not use citizens to spy on Americans, and so the old informant system was cut back quite a lot, especially since Hoover finally died. That means the FBI is now without much detailed intelligence concerning criminal and terrorists organizations, and agents themselves have to conduct more investigations personally, since they don’t have as many informants now as they had back in the past. So when a big event takes place, like the OKC bombing and the New York thing, the Director has to suddenly pull hundreds or even thousands of agents off of other investigations and put them on the new emergency investigations, so they are constantly understaffed.

In the mean time, there are so many alerts, tips, and threats being phoned into FBI offices right now, the agents just don’t have time to investigate all of them. I think the agents who are called should at least ask each caller a few questions, but in this more liberal era, they often don’t do that. In the old days, just about everyone who called in with a tip was visited by agents and was asked to become some type of informant, even if it was just a simple request such as to keep on the lookout for middle-eastern men snooping around your power plant. If this were 1969, you would be visited by an agent who would ask you to keep on the lookout for any unusual situations at your power plant, and he might ask you to take pictures of any unusual visitors, as well as get their names, addresses, and phone numbers. But this is not 1969, Hoover is dead, and we’ve had too many liberal Presidents and Congressmen in power since 1969.

54 posted on 10/11/2001 2:41:44 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: be-baw
Many reports said the terrorist hijackers spent time on several planes before the World Trade Center bombing trying to get into the cockpit of planes while the planes were in the air. None of them succeeded. It's believed that this is the reason all the planes were taken by force.

If your boss won't listen to you go above him. If the person at the FBI doesn't sit up and notice, ask for his superior. Or call your local police department. Tell them, then call your local newspaper and speak to the political editor. Local TV news is good. There's pictures in this story. Someone will hear you.

55 posted on 10/11/2001 2:44:38 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: be-baw
Now, be-baw. Don't bother the nice man eating the doughnut.
56 posted on 10/11/2001 2:45:25 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: be-baw
There are other things you can do, as suggested by other FReepers.... call your local media but don’t give your name (use a pay phone if necessary, if you don’t want your phone number to be recorded on their incoming call gadget). Call your local police department. Call your local sheriff’s office. Look for other federal agencies to call, such as the Dept. of Energy, or call the Justice Department in DC directly.
57 posted on 10/11/2001 2:46:10 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: be-baw
Many reports said the terrorist hijackers spent time on several planes before the World Trade Center bombing trying to get into the cockpit of planes while the planes were in the air. None of them succeeded. It's believed that this is the reason all the planes were taken by force.

If your boss won't listen to you go above him. If the person at the FBI doesn't sit up and notice, ask for his superior. Or call your local police department. Tell them, then call your local newspaper and speak to the political editor. Local TV news is good. There's pictures in this story. Someone will hear you.

58 posted on 10/11/2001 2:48:10 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Confederate Will
I've seen these two arab guys videotaping Rockefeller center and St. Patricks in New York. A friend of mine saw them on Madison avenue. I reported it to the FBI, but I really thought it was nothing.

Get yourself a little portable pocket camera or disposable camera and carry it all the time. If you see any of them taking pictures, go up and take pictures of them and let them know you are taking pictures of them.

59 posted on 10/11/2001 2:49:19 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: be-baw
It is time to tell all non-citizens from these countries to pack up and go home. It is as simple as that.
60 posted on 10/11/2001 2:51:26 PM PDT by Rodney King
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