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To: angelo
Well, they didn't just materialize from thin air.

Well every Protestant Church can be traced to a human founder from Luther to the present.

Despite how they may have branched off since that time, all christians ARE descended from that early church. It is tautological. If they weren't, they wouldn't be christian.

You are straying from the topic as is everybody else who has responded to me. My original post was to refute the silly claim that the Baptist denomination has been around since the time of the Apostles. No Protestant can trace their church and their distinctive teachings before the reformation.

404 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:40 AM PDT by pegleg
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To: pegleg
Well every Protestant Church can be traced to a human founder from Luther to the present.

Of course, the Catholic church materialized out of thin air. Don't you think that the Catholic church had a human founder or founders? If not, how did it take shape? Did God write your Magisterium? And I don't mean figuratively, I mean literally. Did God pick up a pen and write down the Magisterium? If so, is it preserved? And if it's preserved, can I see it?

God's will on earth is most often acted out by individuals who have surrendered themselves to the Kingdom of God (His reign and rule on this earth). Not because it has to, but because that's the way He has chosen to interact with His creation.

436 posted on 10/14/2001 11:26:11 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: pegleg
You are straying from the topic as is everybody else who has responded to me.

Not at all. I was responding to your reply to OLD REGGIE's #317:

ALL CHRISTIANS TRACE THEIR BEGINNING TO THE FORMATION OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

Now, you can argue that there were "branches" off the original church, or that their doctrines changed, or some such thing, but the above statement is by definition true. I mean, where do you think the "human founders" you mention came from? (Hint, Luther was a Catholic--an Augustinian monk, to be precise--before he was a Protestant).

437 posted on 10/14/2001 11:27:00 PM PDT by malakhi
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