I forgot. If Havoc says its true it must be so. Anyone that believes this is so far removed from reality that meaningful dialog is impossible.
Nice of you to realize that. LOL. I suppose now I can make the Limbaugh claim, I could defeat you in argument "with half my brain tied behind my back" ROFL. Ok, seriously, its a sad refrain isn't it. When you're bankrupt of proof to support your claims, you must always regroup and hit the rhetoric and propaganda line.
And being on point or on topic is not even an issue to worry with. Look at the rhetoric that went on with discussion of dates agreed upon by a wide majority of Scholars. Ya'lls rhetoric was against interpretation skills. I think we should name this the "Hit the Pinata" debate tactic. If blinded just strike out, maybe you'll hit something. Ya'll still have no candy or tatters of mache' but it sure can be entertaining to see. Pinata Catholics. It has a ring to it doesn't it?
Truth is, it isn't about me being right, it's about you guys providing claim after claim with no support, Jewish Laws and commandments against you, Scripture against you. And you clutch at straws to so called "church fathers", which is an insult to the Apostles and Jesus btw, who are no more than a bunch of philosophers and pretenders that pass along error (that was being pursued out of the church in the first century) and herald it as part of Christianity. You have to leave the actual proven texts and go to the screwball conflicting wannabes to find any support at all for Catholic ideas. Sounds like the home shopping network of religion. If the ideas of the faith wont let you do what you want, just look around at those screwing it up and use their ideas. Then have the nerve to call them authoritative when they can't agree with scripture or one another or even with you. LOLOL. Too rich.
Ok, put the blindfold back on and grab your stick so we can turn you around a couple times and let you try to strike candy again.