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To: SoothingDave
(REGGIE) "How many infallible pronouncements have been made and what were they."

(SD) As far as I know there are three. Possibly four.
1. The Infallibility of the Pope
2. The Immaculate Conception of Mary
3. The Assumption of Mary
4. The impossibility of ordaining women

The last is still debated by some agitators for priestesses and Rome has not definiteively identified this statement (which on its surface seems to be preaching infalllibly) as infallible.


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Thanks for your reply. You are the only person who has attempted an answer. To my knowledge, there is no unanimity within the RCC as to what actual "Infallible" pronouncements have been made. I believe you will get more arguments on your choices from within the fraternity than from non-Catholics.

For example; from allend:

"Because Vatican II issued no solemn definitions, it is all just Ordinary Magisterium. About 21 councils have issued solemn definitons, and the Pope (not our present Pope) has done it twice. There are something like 250 doctrines which have been solemnly defined."

It would be interesting to see how the two of you can come up with such widely varying answers.

A skeptic might say the definition of "Infallibility" is purposely obscure in order to facilitate the withdrawal of a supposed "infallible" pronouncement in the future.
143 posted on 10/12/2001 8:37:10 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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