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Clinton balked at Sudan offer to arrest bin Laden
Washington Post via DallasNews.com ^ | 10/03/2001 | Barton Gellman

Posted on 10/03/2001 1:49:22 AM PDT by CommiesOut

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Reagan creates a horror show. Bush continues the horror show. Clinton continues the horror show. W continues the horror show.

And somehow this one adds up to being Clinton's fault. It's amazing how far some will go in order to avoid the truth of a situation.

81 posted on 10/03/2001 11:24:27 AM PDT by sakic
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To: LSJohn
1) I'll bet even the terrorists didn't expect the WTC buildings to collapse, so the damage to our economy was potentially far greater than anticipated.

There is plenty of evidence scattered about FR that suggests otherwise. As I have said on other threads, the WTC attack was not about terrorism; it was fundamentally an act of economic warfare.

82 posted on 10/03/2001 11:30:32 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind
I think you know I believe there is a fourth group (affectionately known in tinfoil circles such as my own as the NWO) which has determined that PRC can neither be supplanted nor brought in as a willing partner in "global governance." This group has used each of the others facilitate the fulfillment of PRC's economic goals (strategic goals come later) in the belief that if PRC has what it wants it will not be a threat to the NWO.

IMO the plan is to gradually cede hegemony in Asia and autonomy in an otherwise "united" world.

BTW, the other most serious threat to global governance is Israel, both because of fight-to-the-death nationalism and the multitude of nations which are unwilling to concede her right to exist. I theorize that this is why the West has been backing away from unconditional support, though the "end" of the Cold War would seem to justify it on those grounds.

84 posted on 10/03/2001 11:40:15 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: LSJohn
maybe the smoke will bring a good-lookin' fireman over.

Lol!! ... (Ah, a girl can dream ...)

The continued concentration on the "economy" has my eyes rolling ... not smoke, per se.

Having proferred themselves as committed to the point of "religious" fanaticism and patently amenable to being used as human plastic explosives or handy-dandy excuses for Russia to only continue its massive military build-up at Mozdok, Ingushetia ... Islam's a tool.

"Economically" speaking ... Islam has the same gross disparity between haves and have nots as the so-called Great Satan and the rest of the world. If they plan on killing the Golden Goose and taking the world down in the process ... evidently there's not much either we or the world can do about it. But I fail to see where they've the capability BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION to either then step in and take control. Without the organizing principle that the confection of Israel's been for the region, it's doubtful they'd be as useful as they are at present.

No, that vacuum's going to be filled by the same folks who not only promised to hang us with the rope we sold 'em but crush us with their clenched fist once they'd launched the greatest peace movement the world had ever seen and put us fast to sleep.

Islam's a tool of the world revolution masterminded, conducted and strategized primarily by the Soviets and their Corsican brother China.

Speaking of "promises" and the scenery they anticipated along the RAILS on which they've been riding us ... my current issue of "Arab-Asian Affairs" arrived at noon. It's appropriately entitled "THE PERIOD OF ESCALATING VIOLENCE". Amazing how prescient they were, eh? (Do a Google on that exact phrase just for kicks ... =) I think I'm going to voluntarily up my subscription fee for the year and excerpt en masse.

Quite naturally, to illustrate his points, Story sticks fairly close to home. I love his contention that -- as part of Toniee Blair's "all out war" on terrorism and those nations who harbor terrorists, Britain's first bombing campaign by all rights should be over Ireland.

They don't call it the World Revolution for nuttin ... these leninists who've their own ideas about capitalism and have their own NEP in the wings. When you're that focused, what's it to you whether you pick and choose to groom Islam, Red Brigades, IRA, Black September, Basque ETA, the Shining Path or the Breton Liberation Front to accomplish your ends?

What I wouldn't give to have a complete translation of recent Chinese works on economics and the thoughts of on materialism and atheism. Probably would no longer take a shot of espresso with my cognac to keep me up at night ... =)

In a purely materialistic world, the militant atheists are going to clean the clocks of the soulless capitalists. I guess one other reason I eschew speaking in the strictly "economic" terms is because We Lose if that's the case.

85 posted on 10/03/2001 11:50:03 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Stealthy
'Sudan's offer to turn over Bin Laden wasn't accepted'

...by the Saudis.

86 posted on 10/03/2001 1:29:05 PM PDT by sakic
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To: CommiesOut
Bttt
87 posted on 10/03/2001 3:16:52 PM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: Milosevic2
This is not far-fetched. El-Fatih Urwah, the principle that Khartoum used in talks held in Rosslyn, was the man behind the movement of Falasha Jews from Ethiopia through Sudan to Israel. He is an intelligence officer of many years standing and is well-known within the CIA. The problem, as was always the case in the Clinton administration, was the large number of incompetants at the NSC and at the top levels of the State Department.
88 posted on 10/03/2001 5:46:09 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: gaspar
It is interesting that State Department principles were leaking the news in mid-1996 that Carney was out of line. Sudan was to have been his first tour as ambassador, and the more he hammered away at State, asking it to reassess its policy of non-recognition, the deeper hole he dug for himself. Their argument was that he would do anything to get to Khartoum. Now it is clear that he was only doing his duty as he saw it. It is interesting that the Guardian has published an article today claiming that the Khartoum Government also tried in 1996 to turn over a large stack of dossiers of Islamic fundamentalists active in Sudan. Again, Khartoum was rebuffed. This is the first in a series of backstabbing episodes that will pit the CIA vs. the State Department and NSA, and everyone vs. the FBI, as bureaucrats duck for cover and blame someone, anyone, for the disastrous intelligence failure.
89 posted on 10/03/2001 6:02:17 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: CommiesOut
NPR was hot-and-heavy with this stuff today, crediting unnamed Clinton camp sources. Looks like preemptive damage control. I guess this means more bad news for Hillary is coming out shortly.
90 posted on 10/03/2001 6:47:38 PM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: cracker; CommiesOut
"Not to defend Clinton for this, but the title is a LITTLE overblown: it was the Saudis who broke the deal, not the U.S."

Overblown? Perhaps. But the headline was composed by the Washington Post, not CommiesOut.

Interesting, huh?

91 posted on 10/03/2001 7:08:10 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
No, no, no. To make it more interesting: it is Dallas News' headline over Washington Post excerpt. Very interesting.
92 posted on 10/03/2001 7:15:36 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
The Post has been running a lot of articles like this. Basically they are Clintonista spin, quoting a lot of Clinton appointees, trying to cover their exposed hineys for letting this creep get so big.

Remember, not a word goes into the Post that doesn't serve the purposes of the left wing of the Democratic Party. It's a partisan paper from headline to cartoon page.

Propaganda is information too, just don't lose sight of the fact that it comes coated with an agenda.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

93 posted on 10/03/2001 8:24:12 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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Pakistani hit squad was trained by CIA to kill Bin Laden: Covert plots US history of failure
The Guardian - United Kingdom; Oct 4, 2001 ....... http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=011004001054
BY AUDREY GILLAN

The CIA is reported to have trained and armed around 60 Pakistani commandos to carry out a secret plan for them to go into Afghanistan and kill or capture Osama bin Laden.

The clandestine operation in 1999 was sponsored by the Clinton administration less than 12 months after US cruise missile strikes against Bin Laden's training camps in the country, according to the Washington Post.

In return, the newspaper said, Pakistan was promised economic aid and the lifting of sanctions imposed after it tested nuclear weapons. The assassination plan was abandoned later in 1999 when Nawaz Sharif was ousted by the military as Pakistan's prime minister. According to the Washington Post, the plan was part of a more robust effort by the United States to get at Bin Laden and his al-Qaida network.

Broader military action, including massive bombing raids and assaults by US special forces, were under consideration.

The news coincided with a report that the CIA also worked with the government of Sudan in the early spring of 1996 after the country offered to arrest Bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody.

The scheme failed 10 weeks later because the administration was unable to persuade Saudi Arabia to take him. The US lacked sufficient evidence to charge and try him at the time.

But in the early summer of the same year, Bin Laden was expelled from Sudan, where he had become too big a liability.

Both failures have been studied closely by the Bush administration in working out where and how to hit Bin Laden and his network now.

An official close to the Clinton administration told the Washington Post that the Pakistani commando team was ready to strike by October 1999. "It was an enterprise. It was proceeding," he said.

But General Pervez Musharraf, who overthrew Mr Sharif on October 12, pointedly refused to continue with it.

Gen Musharraf, now Pakistan's president, is currently playing the tricky role of ally in Washington's plans to track down Bin Laden and destroy al-Qaida.

While Pakistan has a great deal of information on what is going on in Afghanistan, the Taliban too has its sources on what the Pakistani leadership is up to, through its links with Pakistani intelligence.

When the Clinton administration retaliated against Bin Laden in August 1998 for the bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania it launched cruise mis sile attacks against his camps in Afghanistan.

Sources told the Washington Post that President Clinton decided to use missiles so no American lives were put in jeopardy. They now believe - after the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon - that stronger and more risky action should have been taken.

A senior defence official said: "I wish we'd recognised it then and started the campaign then that we've started now."

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94 posted on 10/03/2001 9:04:38 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: Stealthy
I'll bet that Tenet "resigns" within 6 months. Bush didn't want to fire him right away because he thought it would reflect poorly on himself.
97 posted on 10/04/2001 3:08:43 AM PDT by sakic
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To: SKYDRIFTER;celtic gal
"Did not Hillary Clinton have something to do with charities that raised funds for the Palestinens or the arab nations?"

"Actually, I think in the case that got the attention, the money was actually returned. "

Are we sure it was returned, or did she just say it was returned? Which reminds me, time to see what brother Hughie is up to.

99 posted on 10/05/2001 12:58:49 PM PDT by Tymesup
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To: Tymesup
If you were to ask Hillary if the money was returned and she says her trademark " I don't recall" it means it wasn't. And even if she said it was, who'd believe her.
100 posted on 10/05/2001 8:07:01 PM PDT by celtic gal
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