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To: Texaggie79 tpaine
So you think after we rid the world of the Taliban, we should just leave and allow another just like it to rise?

Pure hubris.

Are you going to declare war on anyone that doesn't meet your moral standards? How about the Chinese? We don't have that kind of power, nor should we exercise it if we did, not because of what it would do to others, but because of what it does to us.

Do you want an example? In this case, in Afganistan, we assumed our right to manipulate regimes toward our preference. That means whoever wishes to corruptly buy influence within our own government gains material advantage as enforced by military proxy. In the case cited, it was Unocal. What did it do? It gave the Taliban the tacit concession of the US government necessary to establish their permanence. How did that result?

It wasn't merely the kind of corruption in the Clinton administration that would sell out our security for a mere $300,000 campaign donation that precipitated these events. The assumption that we have such a right allowed the entire infrastructure of such influence buying to develop. We have seen its fruits all over the world.

How then should we have proceeded? Why was it that Bush lost to Bubba? Iran/Contra? Was that a failure of policy or leadership? In my view the latter. Lacking the ability to communicate why it was necessary to support the Contras such that the Congress would provide the funds, PoppaBush chose to use dealing drugs to our children to illegally finance a legitimate war effort against communism in this hemisphere. When it came to the election and exposing Bubba's corruption, I have a hunch that blackmail was and may still perhaps be involved. Thus the ability to sell influence became the determinant in electability instead of leadership qualities.

It is always harder to see why a system prevents problems than to see how its lack precipitated such. The difficulty is in identifying those principles of governance that would have prevented the incidence of these particular events. In our case the number and scope of elements in which Constitutional principles have been violated are so many that one could spend all day pointing and arguing. This is why so many of the remedial suggestions I have offered are preventative in nature.

It is never too late to start, and the situation is never so urgent as to justify ignoring them. See above.

30 posted on 09/30/2001 2:29:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie, tpaine
Are you going to declare war on anyone that doesn't meet your moral standards?

MORAL STANDARDS!!! WTF?! They slit throats of men who commit adultery. And not just a quick slit, they insert the blade behind the esophagus and saw out through it. It is so common that it has a name: "Qasas". Watch one for yourself here. And if that does not do it for you, FRmail me and I will send you a link to a Qasas closeup where you can watch the blade itself as it inserts into the throat.

You mentioned the Chinese. 2 things. We can eliminate the Taliban quite effectively without going into all out war. Second, the Chinese don't see the best way to go the heaven is to kill Americans.

33 posted on 09/30/2001 5:38:56 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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