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To: Carry_Okie
I am not celebrating the realities described in #118 either (except perhaps the part about the left turning away from domestic policy); do you have a substantive response?
120 posted on 10/02/2001 2:54:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
If you are redefining "substantive" to mean "something that means you agree with me," in a manner similar to the way you redefined "puppet" and then morphed your argument into a self-contradiction so that I would be tricked into passively agreeing with part of it, No.

Really sir, what I suggest is quite clear. You just don't think that it is "enough;" i.e., it doesn't satisfy your premise, or should I say, your ambitions. My strategy is in fact MORE substantive than what you suggest, simply because it is ACHIEVABLE (unlike your proposition of dumping the welfare state and builiding a functional military on a crash basis so that we can construct an empire in the Middle East (an oxymoron if I have ever heard of one) as if it was either politically possible in Congress or wouldn't induce a symmentrical response in the rest of the world). My proposal won't immerse us in a world war followed by global tyranny (which is what I think would be the result of what you advocate) because we would be hard at work at home building both an economic and military fortress America with power concentrated upon the strength, creativity, and liberty of its citizens instead of a standing army roving the planet enriching its corporate aristocracy. It is thus a proposition CAPABLE of selectively protecting itself from its enemies on a preemptive baisis as we are now conducting in Afganistan and I hope elsewhere. That selective projection of power, however, does NOT mean that we should run those countries (as you desire). We quite simply lack the wherewithal to do it without destroying ourselves and opening ourselves up to successful attack.

Further, imperial power has the awful propensity for the politically domanant to turn it to corrupted purposes on a grand scale, especially as in Africa but as is now happening across the AMERICAN West (talk about blowback!). I take it you didn't READ #34 (and its sources) or do you simply discount it? Our racist inattention to what has been done (largely by liberills and Europeans) reflects upon us by virtue of the protection our "empire" afforded (especially in Africa). As the West burns and is over-run by weeds it will likely suffer a similar fate at the hands of imperial bureaucratic socialism (what I call feudal fascism). Such ecological destruction has brought the world a series of tragedies of monstrous proportion as the people of Siberia will surely attest. Similar actions as the banning of DDT or the foot dragging over AIDS may have made the Club of Rome happy, but I am certain that God will hold us accountable for the misery produced in the pursuit of mammon by those currently in charge of that imperial culture with which you are so apparently enamoured. If nothing else, there are those in the West who will surely do so by force themselves.

Read the book. There is a better way.

122 posted on 10/02/2001 4:39:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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