September 29 [Thread II]

Daly's News Online ^ | September 26, 2001 | Gerry Daly

[Hugh Akston]

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September 29

By Gerry Daly

September 26, 2001

In any social movement there is a vanguard and a mass. On one side, the vanguard, are groups of people who are more resolute and committed, better organized and able to take a leading role in the struggle, and on the other side, the mass, are larger numbers of people who participate in the struggle or are involved simply by their social position, but are less committed or well-placed in relation to the struggle, and will participate only in the decisive moments, which in fact change history.

The Marxist theory of the vanguard, in relation to class struggle under capitalism, stipulates that the working class, the mass, needs to be militantly lead through revolutionary struggle against capitalism and in the building of Socialism. - "Basic Concepts of Marxism", Marxists.org

Is there any doubt what would happen today if a group of hijackers tried to take over a plane on a flight of Americans? Would the people cooperate with the terrorists, or would the people rise up and do what it takes to stop them? There is no doubt. Not any longer. The people would act. No ifs, ands, or buts.

It is now clear to all that, in such a situation, it is all in the hands of the people. We can hope and pray that our government will protect us, but eventually, it still comes back to us. We have to defend our families and ourselves. Conservatives have preached this mantra often, as it applies just as well to the debate over gun control. In the end, there will be times when the government cannot respond fast enough to protect us. We must be able to act ourselves.

As President Bush leads forward what originally was called Operation Infinite Justice, we can take comfort that our government is acting to eradicate the enemies who have struck so viciously at our nation. Yet we cannot escape the reality that, in the end, the people have the ultimate responsibility. The government cannot do it all for us. We must do our part.

Another lesson from the terrorist attacks on September 11^th is that intelligence is critical in defense. Knowing and understanding what the enemy will do, if at all possible, is of the highest importance. The attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon was able to occur because we did not fully know who the enemy was, where the enemy was, and what the enemy was doing.

The men who commandeered our passenger jets and flew them into their targets, our buildings and our people, learned from us. They infiltrated our society. They learned how our security works. They learned how we do things. They came to us for instruction on how to fly our planes. They learned from us.

What about Bin Laden?

In 1979, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. The Soviets did so for a number of reasons. They feared Islam as a threat, since communism insists on a lack of religion. The Soviets also desired a warm water port on the Indian Ocean; the Soviet Union had no seaports that were ice-free, year round. And expanding their influence upon the Middle East was an added incentive.

Concerned with the expanding Soviet threat, the United States supported the Afghan resistance to the Soviet invasion, starting with the Carter administration and continuing onward. In 1986, CIA head William Casey expanded our involvement in several manners. He persuaded Congress to provide the Afghan resistance, the Mujaheddin, with Stinger missiles. These American-made missiles worked to counter the air dominance of the Soviets. Additionally, Congress authorized and provided funding for US advisors to train the guerillas. Casey also committed CIA support to an effort to recruit Muslims from around the world to come to Pakistan and fight along with the Mujaheddin (an effort the ISI, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, had been encouraging since 1982). By 1992, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries in the Middle East, North and East Africa, Central Asia and the Far East would gain knowledge and experience with the Afghan Mujaheddin.

Among these thousands of recruits was a wealthy young Saudi, Osama Bin Laden. He learned from us.

In many ways Bin Laden is another example of blowback, which is the unintended results of covert intelligence operations that come back to haunt you. That is not to say that the right decisions were not made, however. The choice at the time was between accepting Soviet expansion and the spread of Communism, or taking action and risking unintended future consequences.

There are apologists on the left and on the right stating that America brought this on itself by its actions in Afghanistan. These apologists miss the point. Ours was not an initiating action, but rather a reaction to the moves of the Soviet Union. If one pulls the string to find the root causes, fixating on the United States involvement in Afghanistan is stopping at a mid-point. Examining the root cause heads right back to Marxist expansionism.

Bin Laden learned more than just guerrilla tactics, it would seem. To understand exactly what lessons he did learn, we should look to how the United States has endeavored to bring down hostile regimes. Our efforts generally have three prongs.

We try to foster political change within the nation by finding sympathetic people who can be organized and mobilized to attempt to bring about political change. We attempt to assist with armed resistance, providing them with financial backing and with weapons and training. And we strike economically, via sanctions and other methods.

These three prongs are intended to sow the seeds of dissention within the population, so as to make them yearn for a change in power. The intention is to make the people rise up against the regime, to not be complacent and accepting of the status quo.

Bin Laden and his terrorist organizations learned these lessons. The strikes at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon weakened us, at least temporarily. It has cast doubts upon our ability to defend our citizens. It harmed us economically. Beyond the direct costs of the buildings and the lives, we see hundreds of thousands of Americans cast out of employment by industries struggling for their very survival in the aftermath. We see incredible amounts of paper wealth vanish as the stock markets tumble. It is not surprising that in the aftermath, we have not been on the lookout for the third prong, the political thrust.

Thankfully, we Americans are a hearty lot, and have not succumbed to the chaos that has been thrust upon us. Instead of us ripping apart, we have joined together. But just as our operations in hostile regimes have not been short term in nature, the odds are that the terrorists operations were not culminated from their end with these attacks. These were just another step on a journey, which they believe will have many more steps.

The purpose of terrorism is to create fear, as well as doubt within a populace of the government's ability to protect the people. This is just an interim purpose, however. There is a reason that the terrorists wish to create fear; they wish to enact some sort of change, to encourage the people to force some sort of political change. What is the political purpose that Bin Laden wishes to achieve in the United States?

"But I am confident that Muslims and this nation of 12,000 million Muslims, will, God willing, be able by counting on the help of God to end the legend of the so-called superpower that is America. [snip]

"The American forces should expect reactions to their actions, from the Muslim world. Any thief or criminal or robber who enters the countries of others in order to steal should expect to be exposed to murder at any time.[snip]

"But to count of these non-believers, who steal the wealth of Muslims then give back some crumbs to certain Islamic states or mini-states reflects a flawed understanding of their duties...

"...the world is governed by the law of the jungle." ABC News interview with Osama Bin Laden

The views expressed by Bin Laden are that the United States is a nation that plunders the resources and the labor of poor Muslims. He believes that an uprising of the oppressed will eventually lead to a toppling of the world's one remaining superpower. Where will allies in this effort be found? What people and groups share enough of his views as to make an alliance possible?

One such sympathizer might be Ramsey Clark, the former Attorney General for the Lyndon Johnson administration. In 1992, Clark founded the International Action Center, which enjoys the continuing support of the ex-Trotskyist, pro-Stalinist Workers World Party. While the original teachings of Karl Marx are decidedly atheistic, Clark sees a natural alliance. "Islam has probably a billion and a half adherents today. And it is probably the most compelling spiritual and moral force on earth today. (source). "Islam is the best chance the poor of the planet have for any hope of decency in their lives. It is the one revolutionary force that cares about humanity..." (source)

The International Action Center is an umbrella group which shares its offices and its telephones with such groups as Iraq Sanctions Challenge, Peace for Cuba, U.S. Out of Korea Committee, Coalition to Stop U.S. Intervention in the Mideast, and Millions for Mumia, which works to free cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal who was convicted using evidence obtained under the powers of anti-terrorist legislation. The structure of the groups, including how frequently new ones appear and disappear, and including how much of their funding comes through charitable donations, is very similar to terrorist networks and cells.

There are ties between Clark and Bin Laden. In 1998, two American embassies in Africa (one in Nairobi and one in Dar es Salaam) were bombed. Four men were eventually captured and tried in the United States, and all were convicted. The prosecution established through phone records and wiretap transcripts that Bin Laden had direct contact with the Nairobi cell that carried out the attack.

One of the defendants, Mohamed Rashed Daoud al-'Owhali, signed a confession regarding his involvement in the Nairobi cell. This Saudi national was riding in the truck that carried the bomb to the embassy, but instead of becoming a martyr and dying in the subsequent blast, he fled on foot. He was treated at a hospital nearby, and was arrested. In addition to his confession, he was in possession of keys that fit into a padlock on the rear of the truck bomb. After his conviction, the defense presented Ramsey Clark as a witness as they argued against the death penalty. (More information regarding the trial can be found here).

How has Clark responded to the terrorist attacks of September 11^th? On September 29^th, there will be a demonstration in Washington, D.C. Ramsey Clark is leading the effort.

Shortly after the attacks on the World Trade Center, a website called "Beat Back The Bush Attack" (note: they have subsequently changed their name) announced that they would be organizing a demonstration. "Now is the time for all people of conscience, all people who oppose racism and war to come together. If you believe in civil liberties and oppose racism and war, join us on September 29 in front of the White House. We urge all organizations to join together at this critical time" their announcement stated.

The temptation is there to dismiss this group of people as misguided kooks or irrational pacifists. This would be a mistake. The organizers of this protest are hoping for a repeat of the troubles that occurred in Seattle in November, 1999. The site's FAQ makes this clear:

Should I bring a gas mask? A helmet?

Since Seattle, there have been an increasing number of major demonstrations and convergences that have been targeted with a high level of repression by the state. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, THE DEMONSTRATIONS IN DC WILL FALL INTO THE SEATTLE CATEGORY. Everyone is advised to take this seriously and take precautions. Basically, this means ensuring that you are protected against the types of maneuvers that the cops have clearly utilized over and over against very large demonstrations. Namely, the types of things to protect yourself against are teargas, pepper spray and projectiles. So, this means you should:

• buy and learn to use a gas mask
• wear a helmet, head guard or a hard hat
• wear protective eyewear

The mainstream media currently is portraying the protesters of the war on terrorism as pacifists. They are not. These are the same folks that terrorized Seattle in 1999 under the umbrella group Mobilization for Global Justice, and who tried to do the same in Washington, DC in April 2000 under the name A16.

The type of protest that occurred in Seattle in 1999 takes months of preparation and organization. Travel plans had to be made for the various anarchists. Staging areas had to be set up. Lodging for those taking place had to be arranged. The logistics behind such an endeavor would make it impossible for such an uprising to be impossible to coordinate on such a short notice.

However, the protest on September 29^th was planned long ago, long before the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The domain beatbackbush.org was registered July 21, 2001. According to their website, they were going to protest the Bush administration's policies regarding the IMF and World Bank, although the phrase "Beat Back The Bush Attack" seems more fitting for the protest of the war against terrorism.

The plans for these protests hit a bit of a snag when the United States reacted with restraint not seen under the Clinton administration. To date, there has been no Bush attack to beat back; unlike Clinton, Bush has said that he has no desire "to send some $2 million missiles at a $10 tent and hit a camel in the butt" to satisfy the desire for quick retaliation. Coupled with the fact that Bush's approval ratings have soared to the 90% level, a change in approach was needed. The group behind beatbackbush.org quickly redesigned their site from leading the charge to "Beat Back The Bush Attack", to "International A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism)". They registered a new domain (internationalanswer.org) to front this effort, and both websites currently have essentially the same content.

The shifting focus of this protest shows that the people involved have one goal in mind, and it is not the stated intent, which has shifted from protesting the IMF and World Bank, to protesting President Bush's retaliation to the attacks, to now protesting racism and the coming war on terrorism. The real goal is disruption, as well as to gain publicity, and to put political pressure on the government of the United States to move away from capitalism.

The front page for both of these sites currently shows no link between their efforts and the International Action Center, merely showing Clark as the first of the "initial signers" for their declaration.

One can find who is the primary contact for an internet domain by performing a whois query against the domain names databases. A whois query on beatbackbush.org shows that the organization behind the website is called "World View", and is based in Jersey City, NJ, and lists an administrative contact of Sara Flounders Kramer. The email address given for the administrative contact is gery@riseup.net. A whois query for internationalanswer.org, though, shows the organization to be the IAC, and provides the same email address for the administrative contact. Sara Flounders (sans the Kramer surname) is listed as the administrative and billing contact for the IAC's website. Both internationalanswer.org and beatbackbush.org are hosted on machines running in Boca Raton, Florida. The contact for riseup.net, as found using whois, is Elijah Saxon, who gives his email address as being from the ucsc.edu domain (University of California, Santa Cruz, where he is probably an alumni). Saxon also has registered revolt.org, which says it is part of Global Update, which also has a domain. globalupdate.org, riseup.net, and revolt.org all indicate that they operate out of Seattle, Washington.

What is riseup.net? They provide "Tech support for the revolution" according to their main page. The vanguard, it would seem, has gone high tech. riseup.net also provides hosting for "Direct Action Networks", which function like cells for activities promoting "radical social change" and "social justice", which are the new catchphrases used to hide the true nature of their activities, which is the promotion of Marxism.

Here is how riseup.net describes themselves:

riseup.net is a project of the Red Cursor Collective, a 100% volunteer effort of activists using technology for radical social change. We provide training, web hosting, listservs, email accounts, and any kind of tech support needed by the activist community.

The riseup.net page says that, currently, their "costs greatly exceed the donations we have received". If donations do not currently meet costs, yet they are operating, from where are they currently getting their funding?

Many of the IAC's initiatives are funded by contributions from The People's Rights Fund, a 501c3 tax-exempt, non-profit organization. A google.com search on "Peoples Rights Fund" and Flounders (for Sara Flounders, who is a co-director at the IAC) shows that the contributions have been both frequent and varied in their purpose. Many of the contributions were directly to the IAC. Others were made to other organizations that tie back to the IAC and/or Clark.

Where does the People's Rights Fund get their money? Their website makes no mention. However, at least part of their funding comes from Fidelity Investment's Charitable Gift Fund. One can only wonder how well Fidelity has screened their recipients, if the money from this fund is being funneled to Marxist advocacy groups. One can only wonder who at Fidelity realizes that their fund was used as a conduit to funnel funds for the planning and execution of the massive demonstrations-turned-riots of November 1999 in Seattle, or the similar demonstrations in Washington, DC, of April 16, 2000 that were limited in their destructiveness by police raids the night before. These raids found riot gear, gas masks, staging locations, and involved the arrest of senior IAC members. One can only wonder how Fidelity feels about their fund being used as a conduit to funnel funds for the planning and execution of the coming September 29^th demonstration against the war on terror. One can only wonder how well Fidelity would react to this information becoming widespread public knowledge.

What is particularly troubling to me is the fact that none of this is getting serious attention by the mainstream media. The New York Post and the Washington Times have written a few articles mentioning the political views of Clark and his involvement at the epicenter of the coming protests. There has been little coverage beyond this, however, and that is alarming. If a part-time free lance writer can pull the strings and find the information shown here using nothing more than a web browser as his only tool, why have the mainstream media not investigated the same, using their more formidable avenues of investigation?

Maybe eventually they will, especially if the demonstrations on Saturday turn violent. The aforementioned FAQ on beatbackbush.org ominously asks the question "Will the protests be 'violent'? " but leaves it unanswered. If the media ever does get around to pulling these strings, there are some other things for them to investigate.

• Nile Rodgers, formerly of the band Chic, organized a superstar group of entertainers to re-record the Rodgers' penned Sister Sledge classic "We Are Family". The original announcement declared:

  Proceeds from the song, which will be released by Tommy Boy, will go towards non-profit organizations working towards defending minorities from racial attacks as well as media and educational programs promoting tolerance. Additional funds will be earmarked for initiatives offering information about the events what people can do to contribute to the relief efforts.

  The charitable goals listed were right in line with those espoused by groups such as the IAC and International Answer. The New York Post reported on Saturday, September 22^nd that Joan Rivers pulled out of the recording, because she found out that none of the money would go to the victims of the terrorist attacks.

  I'm just in shock. It's a bait and switch, and no one knows it," Rivers told PAGE SIX yesterday. Rivers - one of the first to join Diana Ross, Andre Agassi and Sheryl Crow in supporting the effort - said she found out the WTC victims would get nothing yesterday when she was about to plug the event on the E! channel and asked organizers for specifics.

  She received a press release which stated: " 'We Are Family' is, in part, a response to the recent outbreak of racial attacks and intolerance towards Arabs and Muslims . . . We know that the Islamic faith is not the enemy. We are all brothers and sisters. We are all family."

  "I'm not intolerant toward Arabs or Muslims," Rivers said. "But now is not the time for that. I'm boycotting." (source)

  Reports of the release of the recording issued today now indicate that the Red Cross will receive some of the funds.

  The questions that remain are 1) was the Red Cross originally intended to receive funds, or was it added to prevent a backlash against the bait and switch, 2) what other charitable organizations are going to be receiving proceeds from the sales of this recording, 3) what are the real purposes of these charities, and 4) what percentages of the proceeds will be going to each group?

• Several reports have mentioned links between people involved in the terrorist attacks and cells operating out of Jersey City, New Jersey. Two men who make residency there have been held as material witnesses.

  Many of those involved in the attacks spent months (if not years) training in Florida for their mission.

  In December, 1999, United States custom officials arrested an associate of Bin Laden by the name of Ahmed Ressam (reports can be found here and here). He was heading for Seattle.

  Is it a mere coincidence that Bin Laden's people were operating (or travelling to) locations tied to the efforts of Clark to exploit the attacks for political purposes, such as Florida, Jersey City, and Seattle, especially considering that Clark had testified on behalf of one of Bin Laden's operatives?

• CNSNews.com and ABC News both reported that some domain names which had been previously registered may hold possible clues about the attacks on the World Trade Center. Dr. Neil Livingstone, the CEO of Global Options, LLC, a Washington, DC based counter-terrorism and investigations company, said that the domain names in question were registered between 15 and 18 months ago, and allowed to expire before the attack (as such, a whois search done now will not show meaningful information for these domains). VeriSign, a company that is involved in domain registrations, has the information archived, so it can be retrieved by federal investigators.

  According to Livingstone, the addresses include:

  "august11horror.com" 
  
  "august11terror.com"
  
  "horrorinamerica.com" 
  
  "horrorinnewyork.com"
  
  "nycterroriststrike.com"
  
  "pearlharborinmanhattan.com" 
  
  "terrorattack2001.com"
  
  "towerofhorror.com" 
  
  "tradetowerstrike.com"
  
  "worldtradecenter929.com"
  
  "worldtradetowerattack.com"
  
  "worldtradetowerstrike.com" 
  
  "wterroristattack2001.com"

  Of particular interest, given the link between Ramsey Clark and associates of Bin Laden, and the fact that Ramsey's groups have been organizing protests to be conducted on September 29^th long before the attacks, is the domain name "worldtradecenter929.com". Could there be a connection? Could one possible plan have been to have the World Trade Center attack happen in concert with the protests?

While I watch the news reports this weekend, with the inevitable reports of violence breaking out at a demonstration for peace, I will be wondering why the media did not see it coming, and I will be wondering what else they have not seen. I will be watching the attempt to form a vanguard, as I pray for the mass that is sufferring from the aftermath of the attacks of September 11^th.

[dixiechick2000]

Whoa! This is a fantastic piece, Hugh! It's infuriating, to say the least. Also, it gives me goosebumps. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this. Every American should read it.
Thanks for the ping, JH2! If it weren't for you, I'd miss the best stuff on this forum! ;o)
Bookmarking...

BTTT!

[antidisestablishment]

Bumped and Bookmarked. Great job!

Time to uproot the communists and terrorists who abuse our freedoms. >:^\

[Eagle9]

Exceptionally informative article, Hugh.

MAF, OneidaM, GEC
I noticed on Thread I that Hugh Askton credited the three of you for helping research this article.

THANKS, for your combined efforts in writing and researching this fine article.

[piasa]

bump

[Eagle9]

I noticed on Thread I that Hugh Askton credited...

Correction: I noticed on Thread I that Hugh Akston credited...

[Hugh Akston]

Don't know if you saw this or not.

[japaneseghost]

'scuse me, but I thought the IMF or whatever meetings for this weekend were canceled. Next one is in Qatar.

[Hugh Akston]

They did not cancel their protest. They regeared it to protest "Racism and War".

[SierraWasp]

I posted this on the old thread without thinking about it being lost.

Fabulous article!!!

I have a suggestion for those Freepers who may be intimidated out of showing up on Saturday... It starts with a chant that goes like this...

"Same Song, Second Verse, A Little Bit Louder And A Little Bit Worse..." (then it goes right to a song)

"You Can't Ride In My Red Wagon, The Wheel Is Broke And The Axle's Saggin..." (then back to the chant)

"Same Song, Third Verse, A Little Bit Louder And A Little Bit Worse..."

This "round" of chanting and singing continues through the verses, till exhausted with each "verse" actually louder than the last!!!

Rush is talking about Edward R. Murrow's stupid chicken crap comments immediately following the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, which, of course is dwarfed by the stealth and magnitude of the current atrocity on the city.

I hope Freepers aren't intimidated away from D.C. on Saturday to confront this croud of Commonists who hate the success of America and Americans even if it's government isn't perfect, all the time!

It's way ahead of any alternative these defectives have to offer as a form of government.

[Badray]

"Ray, sorry I left you off the previous flag."

You're just getting back at me because I missed you on my flags earlier. I am hurt, but I accept your apology. :)

[Hugh Akston]

An interesting, related, article here.

[Hugh Akston]

I liked GEC's idea for a chant-

No Justice, No Peace!

:-)

[mountaineer]

That does it, no more flags for you.

[tomkat]

ditto

' No Justice, No Peace '

[hocndoc]

Excellent work!

(I missed this last nite, so, bump!, so no one else does.)

[Coyote]

Not stunned. I've understood this for the past ten or twenty years, and in horror and frustration, have lost nearly everything in my personal life trying to get people to listen. But to very little avail.

So now we stand at the final crossroads. The enemy, within and without, will use every sleeper they have in place -- most of which, BTW, are NOT middle Eastern terrorists, but anti-Western ideologs in our educational and media systems -- to bring down the American experiment. This Americna generation will either recoginize this enemy, and rid themselves of it, or they will succumb to the relentless propaganda that will prolong this war to bring us ultimately to our knees. I don't think there's any third way out.

And I'm so angry, that I can't refrain in spite. It's my opinion, that the complicitous (education, the media), and the duplicitous (Clark and all the other the well positioned crypto-Marxists and henchmen), will NOT survive in their present, softened, well heeled form, no matter WHICH way it goes. The stakes are too high, and if the system comes crashing down, even without a final nuclear conflict, much to their chagrin, the elite Marxists will go down with it. I firmly beleive that. If I'm alive, I'll smugly remind them that "I told you so".

So the only conclusion I can come to is that they are so completely arrogant that they believe somehow they'll survive and rule over the rest of us, or like the suicide bombers, they know they'll die with the rest of us but are simply to spiteful to care. THAT'S pathalogical, and in spite of all the rhetoric to the contryary, THAT is unfortunatelly the core history of Marxism. Power for the ideologs, or destruction for EVERYONE.

[JamesinGA]

Coyote, thanks for your long fight. I'm one who only recently has awakened.

So what do we do now? Bush's restraint has thrown a wrench into their plan. Is more restraint and quiet work the answer? Or taking advantage of renewed patriotism to shine a light on the cockroaches? I'd like to know your thoughts.

[Coyote]

Here's just a little example of their Fifth Column flunkies busy at work even as we speak.

[Coyote]

I'm probably not the one to question about response, for I've grown almost completely cynical.

Still, if there's any hope, it has to be in the deep response by the American people to recent events. And I suppose you can do what I've done by tring to help anyone you know to tie together the three degrees of separation between our enemies without and within, the terrorists and the anti-Western thought and political power of the not-so-dead Marxist ideologies. But there are two problems.

One, it's so complex -- so few have any real understanding of political theory, social theory, or economic theory -- that explaining it to lay people is all but frustratingly impossible. Just try to tell the NEA member who teaches your kids at public school that if he/she persists with their current line of thought, our entire system may well come crashing down, and that they, like the people trapped in the WTC, will likely perish along with their imagined ideological enemies?

Two, if you do, like me, you may end up loosing not only your job, but an entire career. Because they're very well entrenched and very powerful. Check the link at my post #49 and see what they did to a member of student government. I got drummed out of an entire industry in a very similar way.

Still, once you realize that it may be all or nothing anyway, I urge you to take a chance and challenge every action like the one in post #49. If you're a grad or supporter of a school that takes a Marxist, anti-American, or anti-Western postition, contact the admin and tell them you're removing your financial support. If you're a member of or know anyone who belongs to a civic group providing scholarships, urge them to make the scholarships void for schools that undermine the very ground they stand on. Look for any other way to oppose them, at every front. Write advertisers fot TV programs. Try to tie in your protest with the WTC event and the war on terror. Not many comprehend the history of the internal Fifth Column, but nearly EVERYONE understands the horror of live images of people jumping to their deaths from 1000 feet. And cross your fingers. Because the wheel's now in spin, round and round she goes, and where she stops, NOBODY knows.

Carville said it. "It's WAR!" The dumb progressive jerk just didn't know how right he was going to be.