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HoweverComma:
"(Suppose some doomsday cult found out about these weapons and where they were stored?) Such facilities would be extremely obvious to even the most basic reconnaisance effort."

Yes, you're exactly correct - it is extremely obvious that the Communist Chinese could/are/will - store short-range and medium-range missile parts - in - any amount of COSCO ships they want - and then have these ships come and go -or- simply have them docked -for weeks and months at a time- down at their Hutchison-Whampoa piers. (folks seeing these COSCO ships docked down there - would think nothing of it - since Hutchison-Whampoa - now has a 50 year lease - to be in Panama.

HoweverComma:
"So, in conclusion, it would NOT be difficult to locate Chinese nuclear weapons storage sites in the New World." The fact that Gertz has to repeatedly use the weasel words "could," "might," and "possibly" indicates that no one's seen them yet.

Give me a few minutes and I'll crawl down in the hold of one of the COSCO ships docked down at the Hutchison-Whampoa leased piers - and I'll be back shortly...of course, I know that I'll be allowed aboard, heck - I'll just pose as an inquiring tourist with a camera - and - I'm sure that the Communist Chinese won't mind at all and that they'll let any and all - come aboard - for any kind of full inspection that is requested - I'll leave in a moment.

HoweverComma:
"Like I said earlier, we can engage in "Well, the Chinese COULD do this extremely stupid and self-destructive behavior" until the heat death of the Universe. How about engaging in REALISTIC assessments of what's going on?"

Yes - sure thing Comma, I see your point. And if those poor souls murdered on 9-11 - could possibly - have been offered invitations to come to a seminars in early September - to discuss "extremely stupid and self-destructive behavior" - such as any possibility - that jets might be intentionally crashed into the WTC (or Pentagon) - they, like me - would probably not have attended.
HoweverComma, it appears to me that times - they are a changin' - huh.
[HoweverComma, in light of 9 - 11 - Now is the Time - to address all possibilities - wouldn't you'd agree!

OK, nice bit of slash-and-burn on my post.

First, nuclear weapons are stored in extremely high-security facilities. These facilities are easily seen from orbit, and commercially-available imagery would detect SOME sort of high-security facility there. You simply ignored that fact. The model you propose is NOT of sufficiently high security; it is instead "security through obscurity," which security professionals reject out of hand for very sound reasons: it provides insufficient security in the event of the location being compromised.

So, go examine the imagery. Surely, you can stick a picture of the Chinese nuclear missile facility in Panama on FR, right?

As for the 9/11 connection: Osama bin Laden has an advantage in the sneakiness department over China: we don't know where he is, we DO know where China is. So, bin Laden can afford to be an irresponsble a**hole (at least until we finally guess which cave he's in). National governments are rather easily found and just as easily nuked into oblivion. They CAN'T afford to be as irresponsible as, say, some alarmist posting on FR can. And national governments, unlike you, understand that people DO, for instance, accept $50 grand and sell the locations of nuclear weapons storage sites. So the security plans for nuclear weapons always involve lots of barbed wire, lots of heavily armed security personnel, and LOTS of open space around the storage sites. All three of these would stand out in Panama (empty land in the Canal Zone is lost money).

So, provide the proof that there is SOME sort of extremely high-security facility in Panama, one suitable for the storage of nuclear weapons. The model you proposed ain't good enough for the job; try again.

As for "addressing all possibilities," if you try to do that you would quickly expend all of America's strength in chasing nonexistent threats.

Hmm, that seems so obvious that I shouldn't HAVE to have said it. This, in turn, implies that you DO, indeed, understand this issue--and that your alarmist postings are intended to sow fear and panic on behalf of America's enemies and cause us to fritter away our strength dealing with nonexistent threats instead of REAL ones.

Thank you for revealing your colors--or, actually, color--specifically, Red.

BTW, I have just as much proof of that charge as you do of the claim that the Chinese have stationed nuclear missiles in Panama. But, you must admit that we must address all possibilities, right?

Are you willing to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that you are actually a ChiCom infiltrator on this forum? PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT ONE.