Posted on 09/10/2001 1:03:43 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
You of all people should understand the comedy of this thread. The very people calling for unity will choke on your unitarianism, and my atheism sends them into fits of rage. The common enemy is collectivism. Collectivism of the left and collectivism of the right.
I would address the situation as was appropriate based upon the context. I would not rely upon a static set of words or dogma suitable for any occasion.
In the mind of the Godless we all turn back to dust and none of this makes a difference anyway.
I'm sorry that you are unable to find meaning in your life independent of a super-authority figure. Please don't presume that the rest of us suffer this shortcoming.
This logic cannot be refuted by bringing up family, friends, ect. They are not always around. Abbie Hoffman and Kurt Cobain's actions made sense if you see the world the way they saw it. I wish I could have told them they were not alone. Only with God is life sacred.
What makes you think I view life in any way remotely similar to Kurt Cobain or Abbie Hoffman? Do you view life the same as David Koresh or Joseph Smith Jr.? I'm sure you believe you hold the magic words and can summon the spirits to do your bidding, but it is more than a tad bit egotistical to think that your testimony would have effected those folks lives any more than the testimony of others who did share moments of their life.
I was raised Mennonite, so I understand what it is like to get strange looks from the main stream. Please explain your statement above. I am curious as to your meaning.
Deception is the enemy's tool
I guess I should clarify. "Forced" collectivism based upon the corrupt morality of altruism is evil. I presume that you were free to leave the Mennonite community at any time, provided you didn't violate the terms of any contract that you entered into voluntarily.
You know there is Belial, or why would you take one of his names as your handle?
I believe every one has a God. When Stalin died thousands commited suicide because their god was dead. The same thing happened when Hitler died. As for Koresh, Jim Jones, and other cult leaders they also saw themselves as God with disastrous results. Jeffersons god was himself and his "reason". He made a poor president because of his self worship.
Others worship themselves, alchohol, money, ect. but in the end only a faith built on a higher law foundation can survive the difficult times.
I will pray for you JR. Don't let your vast intellect obstruct your common sense.
Not at all. I enjoy and support religion. The more the better. I have no problem when someone tries to convert me or gets in my face about how I am wrong. That is a good thing. I wish more would have strong opinions about religion.
There is something in it for me too. Most passionate women I have ever "known" have been devout. A love of God, a love of creation, a desire to be one with God, with life...all that translates into a happy personal life too.
Secular humanists? Atheists? Bunch of hags with sagging bags. Sour, hateful, resentful bitches. Whiners who hate life, hate being what they are, see no hope ever for anything.
Just my experience but, anecdotal as it is, it is true.
Don't waste your time forming a question in the first place.
Are you on the same path to the bottom that Cobain and Hoffman were on? Frankly, I'm pretty sure I won't find myself in circumstances similar to the ones that brought them to the decision to take their own life. If I was on that path, I don't think I would be looking to religion for an insurance policy to rescue me either. After all, if you really had faith in your God, you wouldn't be on the path of debauchery and drug abuse leading to terminal depression.
I believe every one has a God.
Yes, you religious folk always like to pretend that everyone has to think like you do. Face the fact that there are some of us who actually reject wholesale the notion of supernatural realms with mythical beings, ghosts and spirits.
When Stalin died thousands commited suicide because their god was dead. The same thing happened when Hitler died. As for Koresh, Jim Jones, and other cult leaders they also saw themselves as God with disastrous results. Jeffersons god was himself and his "reason". He made a poor president because of his self worship.
I suppose that all fits in with your religious world view, but it is a drastic misinterpretation of history.
Others worship themselves, alchohol, money, ect. but in the end only a faith built on a higher law foundation can survive the difficult times.
Some of us don't worship. We live.
I will pray for you JR. Don't let your vast intellect obstruct your common sense.
The condescension is unbecoming. If you were sincere, you would have prayed for me without making a public show of it.
I neither enjoy, nor support religion, though I do agree with you that if we have to suffer it, let there be many. Whenever any one religion acquires a monopoly, it is a dark and bloody spectacle. Nevertheless, as a strong advocate of individual rights, I affirm that men must be free to think their own thoughts and also be free to communicate them so that they may be judged in the marketplace of ideas. I do not support censorship, though I do not want my government to ever participate in any form of religion of any kind.
There is something in it for me too. Most passionate women I have ever "known" have been devout. A love of God, a love of creation, a desire to be one with God, with life...all that translates into a happy personal life too.
Yeah, those catholic girls were the wildest in college, weren't they? ;-)
Secular humanists? Atheists? Bunch of hags with sagging bags. Sour, hateful, resentful bitches. Whiners who hate life, hate being what they are, see no hope ever for anything.
Oh, don't stop there. Let's go all out with the demeaning stereotypes. You really can't judge all atheists by looking at Madeleine Murray O'Hare. hehehe
Just my experience but, anecdotal as it is, it is true.
Okay, then I declare it to be true that all christian women are just like Tammi Faye Bakker. So there! hehehe
You would have to ask a unitarian and a muslim. I think they're all equally goofy.
Oh, Kevvy-pooh. You're just miffed because I've read the Bible and know it as well as you, but don't buy into the mythical interpretation.
Ever consider I was trying to save him from such a fate?
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