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To: Twodees
You lose your bet.

There is no way for a State to withdraw from the Union without a constitutional amendment legalising it. There was none therefore the legislative actions on secession were illegal and unconstitutional. Thus, the Slaveocracy was promoting treason against the United States.

Your idiotic comments about me being indoctrinated are funny but cannot hide your weak reasoning and illogical ideas. You ignore the fact that I used to believe as you do having spent my formative years in the South wallowing in the self-pitying glorication of a pack of aristocratic traitors as was so common to Southerners. MOst have outgrown it by now.

You also clearly don't understand the U.S. Constitution.

121 posted on 12/26/2001 9:43:45 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
No, I understand the Constitution. May I suggest that you get the two volume edition of "The Debate on the Constitution"? If you read anything other than 20th century marxist commentaries on history and the Constitution you might understand what is eluding you. The Constitution is not a set of specific grants of powers to the states. The states created the federal government by their ratification of the Constitution.

The framers all agreed that the powers specifically delegated to the US government were all the powers that government had, all other powers being reserved to the states and the people. The saying among them was, "That which is not granted is prohibited", and that saying applied to the federal government, not to the states.

The opposite of what you maintain is true; for secession to be prohibited as a state power, an amendment would be necessary. The basis for my position is the 10th Amendment. You've never been able to cite the text of the Constitution which supports your position. Until you do, you're the one exhibiting ignorance of the founding document.

Have you read the commentary on the war which was written between 1865 and 1930? Have you actually studied the federal government's own official version of the history of the war, the Official Record of the War of Rebellion? No, you haven't and you probably didn't know that such a collection of documents existed.

What passes for conservatism in Illinois, Massachussetts and California is typical of your idiotic positions taken on the subject of Lincoln's war. You represent the "mainstream republican" view of history, which is no different from the view pushed by communist and socialist academia. Yes, you're the victim of Marxist indoctrination. Your "institutions of higher learning" are dominated by Marxists and have been since the early 20th century.

Even your favorite catchphrase, "slaveocracy", is an invention of the Marxist dominated American Historical Society's "scholars". It's comical, because you don't even realize what a liar you are. The lies you doggedly repeat were invented by radical republican socialists in the aftermath of the war to cover the overthrow of our form of government by your wretched party. Stick to your version. You wouldn't survive the shock of actually learning the truth.

122 posted on 12/27/2001 6:47:44 AM PST by Twodees
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