China ready to deploy its first mobile ICBMs

Washington Times ^ | 9/06/01 | Bill Gertz

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"China ready to deploy its first mobile ICBMs

Thanks in part to the treasonous Clinton administration."

You took the words right out of my mouth!

[koba]

American graduate students could have taken the place of the foreigners if the American students had the interest and/or academic ability to pursue scientific/engineering fields. The reality is that much of the work today in science/engineering is done by foreigners. American students either do not want to pursue these difficult fields or are incapable of pursuing them---that's why you see so many Chinese, Indian, etc. graduate students. These students contribute much to research and development in this country, in that sense making it stronger. Many of them becomes citizens and live here permanently.On the other hand, you could be corrrect in the sense that a small percentage will go back to their native countries with the knowledge they gained here. When American people can't or don't want to do this work (generaly speaking) this is the kind of risk you take.

[caddie]

The argument that only foreigners are smart enough or industrious enough to pursue engineering and science is total BS.

Allowing third world persons in to work like coolies does nothing but depress the wages and working conditions of graduate students in the United States.

You can see the effect of this on the professions of chemists, physicists, mathematicians, etc., in the US.

The wages and working conditions of American graduate students and postdocs are deplorable, and it is precisely because of the flood of incoming foreign students and postdocs who accept any terms, any salary, any form of abuse from their employers, because it is better than where they came from.

So grad students' and postdocs' conditions and wages are driven far below what they ordinarily would be, were the universities competing for American students ONLY.

The money is better and the conditions are better in Business, Finance, Medicine and Law (and some forms of engineering), so that is where American students gravitate.

Oh, by the way, you may want to tell the Nobel dudes that Americans are too stupid and lazy to excel at the sciences-- the Swedes have a bad habit of giving American scientists a disproportionate share of their prizes.

You need to straighten the Swedes out about that.

[koba]

One third of those Nobel Prizes were awarded to American citizens who came here as immigrants. About one third of the engineers, computer programmers, and doctors in this country are foreign-born. By the way, there is usually a large foreign contingent (around 25-30%) at the best business schools. Two of my relatives graduated with Yale M.B.A.s, one from Wharton etc. none were born here. Most of my relatives who came to this country in the 1970s were recruited by America. Most are millionaires or multi-millionaires. If there were sufficient people here the Americans would not have had to recruit. They recruit people right now, as I am typing this. They just brought my cousin over (M.S. computer science) and are paying him $82,000/year. Not bad, huh? They are recruiting microwave engineers and cannot find Americans so they get a foreigner, paying him $105,000/yr. Is that cheap labor?

[caddie]

You and your relatives are lucky to be here, because America is now shutting the door to those, like you, who dislike and have contempt for the American people.

It is obviously too easy for a foreigner to enter the United States, when so many, like yourself, can live so well here, and cling to so deep a hatred for America and its people.

Why not go home and improve your homeland? And take others with you who have no respect for America.

You seem to have gotten what you wanted out of our country, i.e., money.

[koba]

Where in my post do you get "dislike and contempt" and "deep filled hatred" of America? I never wrote that, you are claiming I did. For the record many of my relatives work at places like Naval Research Labs, Night Vision, and other defense-oriented organizations. Some of my relatives work on satellite systems. All these organization help give America the technological edge over other countries. I got out of academics and run businnesses. What, by the way, are the things you do to help America? I told you some of the things my people do, why don't you tell me some of the things you do since you have a "holier than thou" attitude. No, there was never any hatred of America. How could there be? They were great employers. As far as going back to India, some of my people have done that. They made their money, got good pensions and are happy. My own personal goal is $6 million net worth. I'm halfway there, if and when I make it I may go back, but on my terms not yours. Go back and improve India? It's difficult, about as difficult as improving the U.S.secondary educational system. The Americans had a latch-key solution for their education failures (importation) just as we had a latch-key solution to Indian failures (emigration).