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Clean but mean electric car is creator's dream come true
The Australian ^ | August 12, 2006 | Chris Ayres

Posted on 08/12/2006 12:36:57 PM PDT by tessalu

IT can keep up with a Ferrari, travel 400km on an empty fuel tank and is completely silent. The latest boys' toy for Silicon Valley multi-millionaires is a full-blooded American sportscar - only its blood is electricity, not oil.

The Tesla Roadster, which can go from zero to 100km/h in about four seconds, is named after Serbian electrical engineer Nikola Tesla, who invented alternating current.

The car is assembled in England and the electric motor is imported from Taiwan. The cars will be sold only in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York and Miami.

The first deliveries are expected to begin next northern summer, after the car passes rigorous federal safety tests.

Martin Eberhard, who founded Tesla Motors in 2003 with Marc Tarpenning, said: "This is what we hoped to achieve when we started the company: to build a car with zero emissions that people would love to drive.

"It didn't make sense to sell a car that only goes 90miles (145km) on a charge. You'd spend more time charging the old EVs (electric vehicles) than driving them. Lithium-ion technology ... has allowed us to achieve exactly what we thought it would in terms of power, range and efficiency."

Those who part with the $US100,000 ($130,000) for a Tesla will be given a home charging system, which, the company claims, will fully recharge the car in about three hours.

The Tesla marks a resurgence in electric car development in California, after the state quietly dropped a law that would require car companies to develop models with zero emissions. Infamously, this resulted in General Motors recalling and destroying its fleet of EV1s - a pioneering electric vehicle beloved by owners.

Other electric car companies operating in California today include Phoenix Motorcars and Universal Electric Vehicles, which also makes convertible sportscars.

Even petrolheads, however, may struggle to understand the specifications of the Tesla Roadster. Unlike a traditional V8 engine, with its eight pistons, eight connecting rods, crankshaft, valves, oil pumps and other mechanicals, the Tesla's engine has only one moving part. This gives it an efficiency rating of about 95 per cent, compared with the 20 per cent (or less) of an internal combustion engine.

As for torque, the sweet spot of power for an engine most loved by car enthusiasts, the Tesla's has been described as virtually instantaneous. The car is powered by a "3-phase, 4-pole AC induction motor" and a "two-speed electrically actuated manual transmission".

Instead of a fuel tank, there is an energy storage system, with 6831 non-moving parts all of them lithium-ion cells, regulated by a cooling system and a computer that shuts down the entire battery pack in emergencies.


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To: digger48
NOTICE
Please DO NOT Recharge your Electric Car during this electric grid emergency. We expect to have another power plant online in about 15 years. Until then electric vehicle owners are asked to use either a hybrid vehicle, a gasoline powered car or public transporation.

61 posted on 08/12/2006 2:40:00 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: digger48
NOTICE
Please DO NOT Recharge your Electric Car during this electric grid emergency. We expect to have another power plant online in about 15 years. Until then electric vehicle owners are asked to use either a hybrid vehicle, a gasoline powered car or public transporation.

62 posted on 08/12/2006 2:40:26 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Henchster

Your first point is incorrect.

There is no electrical limitation that makes performance have to drop as the battery's charge is consumed. It can be similar to a gas powered car in that when the charge is done, it's completely done. The car suddenly has no more power to offer. So there is no engineering requirement that "... low performance for the last 100 miles." be the case.


63 posted on 08/12/2006 2:40:39 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: tpaine

tpaine,

No telling why people resist electric cars so much. Maybe it's the liberal/green hype attached to them. Maybe it's the unknown. Maybe it's the freedom one feels two hundred miles away from the grid with a full tank of gas.

BUT, I wholly agree that nuclear powered electric grids charging EV's is a great solution to many problems. Even coal power (with scrubbers and all the attendant waste issues there) to E?V is probably a net decrease in total emissions.

One thing that is a problem is that plug-ins do eventually need to get to a "plug-in." Burt Rutan (the Rutan Composites Around the World non-stop guy) had one of the first Toyota Priuses on a long term courtesy test for Toyota. He advised it should split the internal-combustion/electric ratio to about 15-85 instead of the current ratio of about 60-40. He would use a much smaller internal combustion engine to just get you to the next plug-in or in the case of emergency, just stop and recharge in the boonies.

Sorry for the long post.

Oldplayer


64 posted on 08/12/2006 2:47:30 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: RussP
They put little nucs in satellites. I want to be able to put a little nuc in my house. I envision a box out front. when its time is up (20 Years?) the nuc service person comes by and unplugs it and puts in a new one.
65 posted on 08/12/2006 2:52:54 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: tpaine
It will never replace a magic carpet.......



66 posted on 08/12/2006 2:53:33 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: tessalu
The first deliveries are expected to begin next northern summer

That'll grab your attention.

67 posted on 08/12/2006 2:56:25 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (On issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe.)
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To: tessalu

Sounds like this thing has about 8,500 volts fully charged; state of the art Li-Ion cells have about 7.2 amp hours so the batteries would be depleted in 3.25 hours or so at a 25 amp draw.

Household voltage is 208-230 and 200KW divided by 230 would be 869 amps; further dividing by 3.5 hours for charging time would give us 248 amps.

200KW divided by the available 8500 volts only gives us one tenth that current (actually 23.5).

There must be something here I'm missing.


68 posted on 08/12/2006 2:59:00 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: oldplayer
I don't "get it" --- Why is anyone really against the entire concept of a usable electric car?

No telling why people resist electric cars so much.
Maybe it's the liberal/green hype attached to them.

Yep, I guess there's no way to counter irrational thinking. -- Cheap electrics, suitable for urban use, would solve a lot of problems.

No one but irrational greenies are hyping that gas/diesel be banned.

69 posted on 08/12/2006 3:12:58 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Inge_CAV

Cute; -- but pointless.


70 posted on 08/12/2006 3:16:24 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Henchster
1) Electric power is depreciating, in other words, the second time you step on the gas, it has less power than the first, the third time worse, etc. A "Range" of 250 miles means very low performance for the last 100 miles.

Only if it was designed by an electrical moron.

71 posted on 08/12/2006 3:27:41 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Old Professer

Most RV's have gas refrigerators and, most drive down the road with them running.


72 posted on 08/12/2006 3:39:00 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Boazo

But they level the coaches when parked; the refrigerator on my RV would never keep cold on a long drive.


73 posted on 08/12/2006 3:42:08 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Disregard that whole paragraph. I was using values for NMh on cell voltage.

Although dated (4/01) this link has a lot of interesting info on Li Ion cells, http://www.buchmann.ca/Article5-Page1.asp.


74 posted on 08/12/2006 3:44:30 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: digger48
lol

imagine 100 million lead acide battery packs being thrown in dumps every year. Plus all the new power plants we will need to power cars this way.

More expensive that gasoline probably and more damaging to the environment probably

75 posted on 08/12/2006 3:47:32 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: thackney

I didn't surf their web site - very interesting. Well I wonder what the 95% is supposed to refer to?


76 posted on 08/12/2006 3:49:08 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: tpaine
Not really, if the cars do go on the market I think these guys will be one of the dealers. The Blue Genie is one of the salesmen and his getup is a marketing ploy. They also have the largest Hummer dealership in the US.



77 posted on 08/12/2006 3:50:40 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

> GREAT LINK! I'm a huge fan of nukes.

Thanks. Twentysome years ago I read a fantastic book called "The Health Hazards of Not Going Nuclear" by Petr Beckmann. It woke me up to the lies of the anti-nuclear movement -- and it inoculated me against many other Leftist lies too.

Were it not for the anti-nuclear irrationality that stopped the development of nuclear power, we would have far fewer probems today -- including global warming (if in fact it is a problem).


78 posted on 08/12/2006 4:39:30 PM PDT by RussP
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To: Dr. Ed Bravo

> Russ, has "Some Amazing Facts about Nuclear Power" ever > been posted on FR?

No. But here is a link to it: http://RussP.us/nucpower.htm

> I found the comparison to coal very interesting.

Nuclear power is orders of magnitude cleaner and safer than coal. The fact that we don't get far more of our power from it is a tribute to the massive ignorance promulgated by the Left. And the crowd that now wants to shut down the economy over global warming are the same morons who stopped nuclear power.


79 posted on 08/12/2006 4:46:40 PM PDT by RussP
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To: Publius6961
One fact never mentioned is the transmission losses for electricity.

The last figure I remember is 50%.

US transmission line losses average about 9.5% in the US.

from US Department of Energy:
Overview of the Electric Grid

80 posted on 08/12/2006 6:14:19 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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