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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Wrong. This is a false dichotomy. I am not the property of the state, of society, or of anyone else. Property can be bought and sold. People can't."

Your denial of your self-ownership demands that SOMEONE ELSE has a claim on your life, regardless of what you want. You feel that the state can make up laws to control you even when your actions don't initiate force against anybody. You have given the state permission to make you a slave. Or perhaps you think you will be the slave master? Either way, it is collectivist and antithetical to the Constitution. As Jefferson and Locke would have said too. (Remember, they both believed in the principal of self-ownership).

Here's an example of self-ownership.

I go to work. I give the company my time and effort. I get paid. My life has been sold to the company for those hours I worked. I have given them my property (myself for those hours) for compensation. It was an exchange of goods (a voluntary one one both ends). They have not enslaved me because I made a contract with them for my wages, and they cannot force me to continue working there if I choose to quit. (There may be legal ramifications if I break my contract and owe them money).
95 posted on 07/08/2005 10:32:37 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
No, I deny that human being are property. That means no one owns me.

I don't think that prohibiting sodomy is the same as enslavement. People who have fought real slavery should be offended at the notion that such depravity should be compared to their God-given rights to life liberty and property. Every state had laws against sodomy when the Constitution was ratified. I don't think the Founders had any problem with that and unlike you, I do not think they were tyrannical collectivist slavemasters.

Your work is not your self. Work is not slavery, freedom is not oppression and property is not theft.

99 posted on 07/08/2005 10:48:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people" - John Adams)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"...Men being all the workmanship of one omnipotent and infinitely wise Maker; all the servants of one sovereign Master, sent into the world by His order and about His business; they are His property, whose workmanship they are made to last during His, not one another's pleasure." - John Locke


105 posted on 07/08/2005 11:13:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people" - John Adams)
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