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To: Tailgunner Joe
"No, I deny that human being are property. That means no one owns me."

Then argue with Jefferson and Locke. They both thought that people owned themselves.

"Every state had laws against sodomy when the Constitution was ratified. I don't think the Founders had any problem with that and unlike you, I do not think they were tyrannical collectivist slavemasters."

And every one was Unconstitutional. As were all laws allowing slavery.

" I don't think that prohibiting sodomy is the same as enslavement."

You don't think you own yourself, so I have no doubt you don't think you have the final say on what you do with your body.

"People who have fought real slavery should be offended at the notion that such depravity should be compared to their God-given rights to life liberty and property."

Only if they don't know what property is, or where property rights come from.

" Your work is not your self. Work is not slavery, freedom is not oppression and property is not theft."

My work IS my self and I will not allow anybody to take it without my consent. It is my property. I never said work was slavery; slavery is the involuntary taking of another's property. All slavery is theft, and all theft is a form of slavery. My work is a voluntary exchange of property. I give my property (time and effort) for another's property (money, which is a way of storing other people's time and effort). When someone steals my wallet and takes my money, they are stealing time and effort from my LIFE. It is an assault on my person. THAT is why I have property rights to my money, my car, my possessions. The taking of these things from me without permission is an attack on my person.
104 posted on 07/08/2005 11:09:07 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

If you don't believe that rights come from God, then you are the one who doesn't know where rights come from, and you are the one arguing with Jefferson and Locke.


107 posted on 07/08/2005 11:15:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people" - John Adams)
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