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Russia moved WMDs from Iraq.
http://www.newsmax.com ^

Posted on 03/06/2005 7:55:18 AM PST by alienken

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Has anybody heard this story? This should knock Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson off the headlines but it doesn't.
1 posted on 03/06/2005 7:55:22 AM PST by alienken
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To: alienken

Ping for later.


2 posted on 03/06/2005 7:57:45 AM PST by StoneGiant
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To: alienken

I believe Rowan Scarborough of the Washinton Times did a couple stories about this around the time of the al Qaaqa hoax. As usual, the rest of the media yawned.


3 posted on 03/06/2005 8:00:51 AM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com)
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To: alienken

Plausible.... but vague...


4 posted on 03/06/2005 8:03:05 AM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: alienken
This story has been kicking around almost from the first week after the war was over. I actually have a suspicion that we weren't somewhat duplicitous in the Russians moving the material. We were certainly glad it was not where it could be used. As to it being in Syria, I further suspect it was moved onto waiting aircraft as soon as it got to Syria and quickly moved back to Moscow.
The Russians are just as afraid of this stuff as we are. They have been attacked many more times by Islamic forces.
5 posted on 03/06/2005 8:05:37 AM PST by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty time!)
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To: alienken

Well, it comes from Newsmax, for one thing. And while I don't doubt the existance of WMD in Iraq prior to the war, it's a tough sell for the administration to keep insistnig "the WMDs were there but the [insert favorite rogue state] moved em because [insert favorite theory]" .


6 posted on 03/06/2005 8:07:53 AM PST by Cosmo (Now accepting donations)
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To: alienken
Discussed here a few days ago (lots of questions about this story).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1355129/posts

7 posted on 03/06/2005 8:09:55 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: alienken

Gertz wrote about this in the Wash Times back in October I believe


8 posted on 03/06/2005 8:10:10 AM PST by traderrob6 (http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
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. . . it's a tough sell for the administration to keep insistnig "the WMDs were there but the [insert favorite rogue state] moved em because [insert favorite theory]" .

The administration is not pushing any such line, I don't think.  Those that do push it somewhat, like Newsmax and the World Tribune, are pretty consistent with implying Russia and Syria are the conspirators who moved the stuff into the Bekaa Valley.  The only fill-in-the-blank favorite theory option is why they moved them.

I like this:

The arming of Iraq with such weapons has a direct impact on events today in the Middle East. The presence of former Iraqi WMD systems in Lebanon raises serious questions surrounding the Feb. 14 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Many blame Syria for Hariri's murder.

However, the possibility that Hariri discovered the location of the Iraqi WMD systems inside his country lends some credible backing to a Syrian assassination effort to silence him.

In addition, the sudden sale of advanced missile and other weapons to Damascus by Moscow also supports the allegation that Syria is hiding something for Russia.


9 posted on 03/06/2005 8:15:32 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: alienken

The link you provided only takes me to the main page. Could you hunt up the link to the actual article, and post it here? Thanks!


10 posted on 03/06/2005 8:17:17 AM PST by Reborn
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To: alienken
"According to Spertzel, the Russians on the U.N. inspection team in Iraq were "paranoid" about his efforts to uncover smallpox production."

First I've heard about Russians being on Hans Blix's UN weapons inspection team.

Doesn't surprise me, though, seeing how that operation was a slapstick comedy.

11 posted on 03/06/2005 8:22:40 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: jb6; Destro; Atlantic Friend

Ping!!!


12 posted on 03/06/2005 8:27:24 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: DevSix

Ah, thank you for the link to the other thread. That explains it all.


13 posted on 03/06/2005 8:27:59 AM PST by Reborn
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To: alienken

I'd take anything this guy says with a grain of salt. Interesting link here about Shaw's being fired.

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/001480.html


14 posted on 03/06/2005 8:31:04 AM PST by dilford
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To: alienken
It is an old story, about two years old. One facet that may come into play though is Syria and their reaction to the Lebanese request that they depart.

If the story is true watch how Syria deals with the Bekka Valley. If Syria is forced out of there quickly, then evidence of this story could be found. I think that the Lebanese would like to cooperate with us in that case. The demonstrators look pro-western.

If Syria is tenacious about holding the vally, then they may be engaged in a delaying action to cover-up or remove the evidence.

In any case, I believe that the MSM, the Russians and the UN would not like revealing the President Bush was right and will do everything to prevent this type of discovery.

15 posted on 03/06/2005 8:48:56 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Racehorse

I didn't mean to imply that I thought they were pushing it, I was saying one of the reasons you're not hearing more speculation from the administration is because it doesn't play well with people when you have a new explanation of what may have happened to the WMD every other week.


16 posted on 03/06/2005 9:51:41 AM PST by Cosmo (Now accepting donations)
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To: alienken

This is redux of stories that have been around since the earliest days of the war. There is a lot of ancillary evidence that the Russians were up to something. There were Russian military advisors in Iraq prior to the war. They were detained by coalition troops while trying to get out of Iraq with lots of papers which detailed sales Russia made to Iraq of banned military related items.

The story that WMD were moved to the Bekaa Valley before the war has been widely circulated, but never officially and publicly confirmed, tot he best of my knowledge.

We do know that SH had WMD which he never proved he had destroyed. That was the focus of the 17 UN Resolutions and the reason we went to war in the first place.

If SH had destroyed all those WMD, why didn't he prove it and thus avoid the war? If he didn't destroy them, where are they? Those are questions I've never heard answered.


17 posted on 03/06/2005 10:34:15 AM PST by randita
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To: Cosmo

Thanks. That's the problem with narrative exposition. The reader reads the tone he thinks he's hearing, and that is not necessarily what the writer intended. I do try to remind myself of that fact . . . often. :-)


18 posted on 03/06/2005 10:50:41 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: alienken
I suggest you google-search the terms "Sarindar" and "Ion Mihail Pacepa".

Col. Pacepa is a defector formerly with Romanian Intelligence who has described the long-standing policy contingency planning for Soviet/Russian client states to quickly hide, destroy or otherwise cover-up any incriminating weapons or technology should their discovery appear likely.

The Romanian word for this policy was "Sarindar" (quick exit). Of course it can't be "proven", since the very nature of the Sarindar program, if executed successfully, was to remove any necessary evidence to do just that. However, I firmly believe that this is exactly what was done in Iraq, and that the whole purpose of the six-month UN Security Council stall/scam by Russia, France and Germany was to enable this to be accomplished.

19 posted on 03/06/2005 11:05:44 AM PST by tarheelswamprat (Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion.)
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To: alienken

Yes, I heard this off and on ever since we have been in Iraq.

Israel has satellite video of the trucks taking the stuff into Syria.

If we can get Syria out of Lebanon - we could have access to the Bekaah Valley and know for sure what is there.


20 posted on 03/06/2005 1:43:21 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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