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To: It's me

"True, they get the black hair from the Spanish invaders."


Shipwrecked Spaniards not invaders. The Spanish influence was the result of the distruction of the Spanish Fleet on the West Coast of Irland after their defeat during the Armada. They're the ancestors of the survivors are commonly called "Black Irish".


206 posted on 01/16/2005 9:11:45 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Oooops! Sorry, you are correct.


228 posted on 01/16/2005 11:46:00 PM PST by It's me
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To: beaver fever
The influence of shipwrecked Spanish sailors from the Armada on the Irish population is minimal, for several reasons. First, most of the survivors that landed in Ireland were captured by pro-English forces or bandits. Many of the Spanish sailors were Galicians, who do not fit the swarthy stereotype of Spaniards. Many Galicians resemble the fairer Irish, as that part of Spain was originally Celtic speaking. Indeed, Galicians were among the Celts who settled in Ireland circa 500 BC. Third, the absence of Spanish surnames in Ireland would indicate, in a patrilinear society, that the Armada survivors represent any significant proportion of the Irish population. Contrast this with the relatively high frequency of Norman French and English surnames, reflective of the pre-Reformation Anglo-Norman invasions.

The presence of Mediterranean looking Irishmen and the genetic similarity of many Irish to the Basques represent settlement patterns that well predate the defeated Armada and even the birth of Christ. Ireland had inhabitants prior to the arrival of the Celts, who may have been akin to the Basques. Additionally, trade routes from the eastern Mediterranean extended into the British Isles, and Ireland was never out of touch with sailors, traders, and merchants from that area. These influences are more plausible explanations for the "Black Irish" than are Armada survivors.

240 posted on 01/17/2005 6:20:41 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: beaver fever

One of my aunts had black hair and she was Norwegian. Mom always said she was like someone from Bergen, Norway. Is that true, Bergeners???


279 posted on 01/17/2005 9:12:17 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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