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To: SaltyJoe
Furthermore, the mission of Holy Orders is so demanding a life that it takes an entire life's commitment to fulfill the daily vows of priesthood for men and being a nun for women.

Really? Then why has the Vatican allowed over 400 converts from Anglicanism and Lutheranism, 98% of them married with children, be ordained?

32 posted on 01/04/2005 5:13:17 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur

Why does the Catholic Church accept non-Catholics (and even keeps some former non-Catholic priests bound to their marriage vows)? For the same reason that Satan possesses and tortures a child.

A soul is a soul.

Many priestly converts have already finished raising children. Thus, they can cowboy up some souls for Christ and focus on this most important mission. Not all Protestant clergy converts are married priests. Furthermore, not all Catholics who help minister Grace are Priests. Perhaps statistics for Eucharistic ministers and Deacons should be examined. They don't say Mass, but they participate in a vital function for the Church. How have their numbers been in the last 100 to 200 years?

400 hundred sounds like big number at first. But how many converts to the Catholic Faith have their been in recent living history?


38 posted on 01/04/2005 5:47:34 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: sinkspur

sinky, you know I agree with you completely on this issue, so I will just say "DITTO" to all your posts on this thread.

Celibacy is an unnatural state.

"It is not good for man to be alone"...God, The Bible


42 posted on 01/04/2005 6:27:08 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: sinkspur
Really? Then why has the Vatican allowed over 400 converts from Anglicanism and Lutheranism, 98% of them married with children, be ordained?

Because it's not particularly fair to ask an adult head of household to give up the only job his education and career history suit him for purely for a disciplinary stricture which exists solely in the Latin Rite. It's like telling him that his children have to suffer for him to convert.

(I'll note parenthetically that these situations seem to be developing their own rite separate from the Latin Rite, as the details of this case bear out.)

And 99% of the advocates of a married priesthood draw zero distinction between an unmarried ordinand and a married ordinand, as if a married man becoming a priest and a priest becoming a married man are equivalent situations, when historically no apostolic branch of Christianity has ever accepted the latter.

58 posted on 01/04/2005 8:11:21 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: sinkspur; SaltyJoe
And why is it that Protestant ministers seem to do both effectively?

my youngest brother--RC like me--married the daughter of the former rector of Trinity Church in Boston. This man is about as spiritual and Holy as anyone I have ever met.

Much of the reasoning behind a rule of celebacy centered around preventing bishops and cardinals from handing down these titles to their sons.

Furthermore, I believe that even if these married men come into the church as priests, they are required to take vows of celebacy to become bishops.

95 posted on 01/05/2005 8:19:35 AM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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To: sinkspur

To vindicate the parable of the workers and the vineyard?


178 posted on 01/05/2005 11:00:26 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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