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To: sinkspur; gerard; thor76; pascendi; ultima ratio
Karl Keating's not wild about Martin either.

Oh this is rich, you are using Karl Keating as some sort of Imprimatur for your slander, when I'm sure you probably agree with little else Karl Keating says. But you are hoping that other Catholics reading this will say to themselves, "Oh Karl Keating says so therefore it must be true."

I looked at that web page, it appears Karl Keating is using a secondary source to slander Fr. Martin as well as adding his own insults by blaming Fr. Martin for Protestants who speak badly of the Church.

The slander has been retracted, by the former Vicar General of the Jesuits Father Vincent O'Keefe, S.J.

..."William H. Kennedy's announcement of a release from Fr. Tom Widmer, S.J. at U.S. Jesuit Headquarters in Washington, D.C. announcing that former Vicar General of the Jesuits Father Vincent O'Keefe, S.J. has finally admitted that Fr. Malachi Brendan Martin was indeed granted a full and legal dispensation from his Jesuit vows except for chastity and given a perpetual celebret to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in private. Nearly five years after his death, his reputation, so maligned by vicious rumors, innuendos and slander, has been restored.

Malachi Martin Vindicated

So after two posts of spreading slander against a deceased priest, perhaps now you may actually respond to what he was quoted to say about the celibate priesthood in post #174.

220 posted on 01/06/2005 3:00:04 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: Gerard.P

OOPS! last ping to GerardP, not Gerard


222 posted on 01/06/2005 3:03:18 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE
Father Vincent O'Keefe, S.J. has finally admitted that Fr. Malachi Brendan Martin was indeed granted a full and legal dispensation from his Jesuit vows except for chastity and given a perpetual celebret to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in private

I followed the link. Here is the entirety of the "admission":

I spoke with Fr. Vincent O'Keefe, former vicar general of the Society of Jesus who is now retired. According to Fr. O'Keefe, Malachi Martin was indeed dispensed from his vows of poverty and obedience but not the vow of chastity. At the time Martin requested such dispensation, the Vatican was not dispensing priests who so requested such dispensation from the vow of chastity or celibacy. Fr. O'Keefe pointed out that Martin never married. His obituary in the New York Times, however, points out that Martin lived with a female companion.

Fr. Widner

Where does this say anything about a celebret?

239 posted on 01/06/2005 8:35:08 PM PST by gbcdoj
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