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To: sinkspur; Canticle_of_Deborah; Pio; pascendi; Maeve; CouncilofTrent; glasgow; AskStPhilomena; ...

It is true historically that there have always been at least some gays in the priesthood. But they knew that if they acted upon their temptation and were found out that they would be expelled. So, they were kept to a minimum, and under control.

That is not the case now, where by even the most conservative estimates, at least 50% of priests are gay. This is a contrived situation, which has occurred due to recruiting of gays by gays, and seminary systems which make it very difficult for one to practice celeibacy, much less to be straight, as the predominantly gay faculties either screen out strait candidates, or make their lives a living hell.

That reality is well documented. And it is a primary reason for the drying up of vaocations to the priesthood. That and the example of liberal, effeminate priests whose lives and manner show no holiness or spirit of scrifice and prayer.

So the young men who might be inclined to become priests are effectively discouraged by the bad examples before them. Some of them manage to persue their vocation through traditional orders or monasticism. But most simply give up.

The permenant diaconate is not a replacement for the priesthood - it is not a model for the priesthood, nor a rallying point fo those who wish to eliminate clerical celibacy.

So, despite your perssonal agenda to promote the abandonment of mandatory clerical celibacy, it remains a very important element to the preisthood.

The case of this Anglican convert is an exception, which the church allows - under an extraordninary circumstance.

You obviously want a married priesthood, as it suits your agenda. It ius something which you consistantly root for, in thread after thread.


131 posted on 01/05/2005 1:05:25 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: thor76
The permenant diaconate is not a replacement for the priesthood - it is not a model for the priesthood, nor a rallying point fo those who wish to eliminate clerical celibacy.

Permanent deacons are proof that there are plenty of mature married men who will serve the Church. The ONLY things a priest can do that a deacon can't is hear confessions and celebrate the Eucharist. In many parishes, deacons are full time on staff, and often work harder and longer than the priests they serve alongside.

Certain members of the hierarchy tell you that mandatory celibacy is important to the priesthood, but the rationale for requiring it of Latin Rite priests is becoming thin, especially since every other of the 22 rites in the Church allow married men to enter the priesthood.

150 posted on 01/05/2005 3:11:36 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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