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Milosevic: 'no link to genocide found'
The Observer ^ | Sunday October 10, 2004 | Chris Stephen

Posted on 10/09/2004 5:21:08 PM PDT by Jane_N

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To: Hoplite

"You know about as much about legal matters as you do about economics."

Oh, so you are not only an expert on the Balkans, you are also a legal and economics expert? Just out of curiosity, what makes you such an expert Hoplite?


21 posted on 10/09/2004 7:25:58 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Jane_N
Can you do me a favor and get an inkling of a clue as to how command responsibility works?

No, of course not.

You and your ilk are happiest when you're running off at the mouth to the cheers of your equally ignorant peers, and to hell with taking the time to acquaint yourselves with even the meanest of understandings of the subject under discussion.

Well just for your edification, dear Jane, Command Responsibility requires either knowledge beforehand, or the failure to act upon becoming aware of a crime after the fact.

So unless one of you clueless drones can point to a Serbian version of the Taguba report produced before the OHR put boot to Bosnian Serb ass, or a Serbian prosecution of anybody responsible for what transpired at Srebrenica, you're merely laying your ignorance painfully bare for all to see.

So in summation, Jane, what makes me an expert?

Nothing, other than I have the willingness to look up information pertinent to the discussion, such as the ICTY's statute Article 7, para 3, which makes your and Destro's positioins nothing more than uninformed garbage.

22 posted on 10/09/2004 7:53:47 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; Jane_N

Bosnia is not part of Serbia - see Dayton accords - so your point about Slobo holding Serbian version of the Taguba report for what happened within Bosnia is moot.


23 posted on 10/09/2004 8:02:41 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Serbian MUP units took part in the Srebrenica operation.
Serbian MUP units report to Milosevic.

Furthermore, Milosevic was continuing to support paramilitary forces in Bosnia after Srebrenica, to say nothing of paying and supplying the Bosnian Serb military for the entire duration of the war and continuing after Dayton.

So while you don't know the first thing about Slobo's complicity in the war in Bosnia, at least you used 'moot' in the proper context.

24 posted on 10/09/2004 8:16:51 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Oh, some Serbian Serbs were there - Milosoevic must be guilty! Invoking the ICTY's invented command responsibility formula would violate the concept of ex post facto law.


25 posted on 10/09/2004 8:42:44 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Which brings us nicely back to #19.


26 posted on 10/09/2004 8:45:15 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

ALl you can do is insult - because you can't defend against the charge that invoking the ICTY's invented command responsibility formula would violate the concept of ex post facto law.


27 posted on 10/09/2004 8:54:37 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Lemme guess, you've got a subscription to some Journal of International Law to go along with your subscription to "The Economist" and you've got degrees in the subject to complement your international business sheepskins?

You're a joke, and posts are a symptom of that condition.

So don't whine about being insulted, Destro. You should be happy that in this life you're getting exactly what you deserve.

28 posted on 10/09/2004 9:13:04 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
https://www.economistacademic.com/index.cfm?action=sso

12 issues for $19.95 (66% off the cover price)

Even you can afford it at your salary, Hoplite.

I don't read law books - but neither do you and you have no answer to the charge of ex post facto ICTY law.

29 posted on 10/09/2004 9:20:49 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Destro,

The point is that you're a liar.

Which makes corresponding with you a waste of time.

30 posted on 10/09/2004 9:25:01 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Just like you -confronted - insult and run away.


31 posted on 10/09/2004 9:27:48 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
I'm not running anywhere Destro.

I've merely reminded you of your moral shortcomings and their implication as far as further discussion.

32 posted on 10/09/2004 9:44:43 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Since you can't explain away ICTY's ex post facto law on command decisions you play at being a priest or is it an imam? Maybe I can have you read my palms later on?


33 posted on 10/09/2004 9:49:38 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Hoplite
>>>>And Slobo was so upset he did absolutely nothing about it.<<<

I can only imagine what beautiful day you have, once NIOD report is getting full attention of the media.

Confabulation about Slobo's command responsibility may soothe you as pacifier, until you finally realize that Milosevic was not in charge of Bosnian Military.

34 posted on 10/09/2004 10:46:56 PM PDT by DTA (Proud Pajamista)
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To: zip

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35 posted on 10/09/2004 11:38:14 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: Jane_N
http://www.ceu.hu/cps/eve/eve_wiebesbosnia.htm

Prof. Cees Wiebes is senior lecturer at the Department of International Relations and International Public Law at the University of Amsterdam. His main lecturing duties are teaching doctoral students in the field of U.S. national security policy; foreign and defense policy of the major and smaller European powers; Dutch national security policy since 1940; global security and also the relationship between intelligence and foreign policy making & execution. Dr. Wiebes has authored 18 books (three on intelligence) and more than 40 contributions to books and academic journals. From 1991 through 1999, he was Honorary Secretary of the Netherlands Intelligence Studies Association (NISA). Dr. Wiebes is a member of the Archival Committee of the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a member of the Editorial Board of "Global Intelligence Monthly" and a member of the Editorial Board of the "Journal of Intelligence History." Dr. Wiebes wrote a chapter in the report on the Srebrenica fiasco that was commissioned by the Dutch Government in 1996.

36 posted on 10/10/2004 12:22:23 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Serbian MUP units took part in the Srebrenica operation. Serbian MUP units report to Milosevic.

If the guilt of Milosevic is so obvious, why the Hague Tribunal has such difficulties with proving it? Can you explain it?

37 posted on 10/10/2004 6:49:49 AM PDT by A. Pole (MadeleineAlbright:"I fell in love with Americans in uniform.And I continue to have that love affair")
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To: Destro

Thanks for the information on Prof. Wiebes. Looking at his credentials, I'ld say he is more than well qualified to make the assertion that there is nothing linking Milosevic to genocide.


38 posted on 10/10/2004 3:01:06 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: A. Pole

When has a kangaroo court ever worried about evidence?


39 posted on 10/10/2004 3:28:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: A. Pole
If the guilt of Milosevic is so obvious, why the Hague Tribunal has such difficulties with proving it? Can you explain it?

For the same reason it is difficult to legally prove Hitler ordered the holocaust - everybody knows he did it, but there is a scarce paper trail proving the fact.

And in Milosevic's case, the documentary evidence is still to some extent under the control of his friends in the Serbian Defence Ministry, hence the Damocles sword of trade sanctions still hanging over Belgrade's head.

Nevertheless, with what documentary evidence that has been brought forth, and the vast body of non-Serb controlled information, Slobo's neck has been fitted with his noose.

That neither you, nor your friends here can recognize a rope when you see one is ultimately not my, nor the rest of the world's concern - you may as well be trying to rehabilitate Ceausescu.

40 posted on 10/10/2004 3:48:32 PM PDT by Hoplite
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