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Tyranny of the majority: Smoking ban is just plain wrong
TwinCities.com ^ | May. 20, 2004 | MATTHEW J. GOLLINGER

Posted on 05/21/2004 8:50:48 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: takenoprisoner

You are confusing them with facts. naughty you.


681 posted on 05/24/2004 10:19:43 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand tobacco smoke.)
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To: geezlouise

Ok, one more. When our child becomes 18 and we can no longer decide for them(though we know we should and we want to), should we prevent them from joining the armed forces to protect us? And since we know the risks at hand, shouldn't we take measure to prevent them from joining the armed forces? And when we don't take measure to prevent them from joining knowing full well the risks involved, isn't this a form of child abuse?


682 posted on 05/24/2004 10:25:08 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner

I seriously doubt you will get an answer.

I outed him and he knows that I know who he is.

He's a troll and has been cyber stalking me for longer than I care to admit. He's been kicked off of FR several times in the past few months under various screen names - I'm curious to see how long he lasts this time.


683 posted on 05/24/2004 10:35:06 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand tobacco smoke.)
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To: Gabz

"I seriously doubt you will get an answer."

Perhaps not. I was looking forward to some sort of honest rebuttal to refute. Obviously honesty is not a factor for some smoking nazis.


684 posted on 05/24/2004 10:46:39 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: Gabz

"I'm curious to see how long he lasts this time."

wow! Looks like yet nother slanderer bites the dust! Message to slanderers...don't personally attack the poster, and don't slander the poster. If you can't argue your position reasonably and honestly, well...adios...catchya later...sweet dreams...and happy trails to you.


685 posted on 05/25/2004 7:11:45 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner

WOW - I wonder what happened.

I had agreed to not hit the abuse button and I didn't - but obviously someone must have done so.

But as I had suggested last night - s/h/it wasn't going to answer any straight questions anyway.


686 posted on 05/25/2004 7:16:45 PM PDT by Gabz (We're Rural, Not Stupid on the Eastern Shore of VA)
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To: Gabz

In all my years here I have never hit the abuse button. Sure, I was tempted a few times...and once in my career someone hit me and my post was removed...in the smokey backroom of all places.

Anyway, it wasn't me...although I thought the poster was particularly cruel and abusive toward you.


687 posted on 05/25/2004 8:31:22 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner
I think you will get a kick out of this thread from a different message board.

The guy is off the wall

He cut and pasted some of my comments to our troll from the other night, (and denies being the troll) as well as some of my other comments......

It's really amusing as he is claiming I've gone round the bend and should be in jail because belonging to such groups like FR are illegal.

The guy is delusional and one of his supporters joins in with him on bashing me, smokers in general and FR........a couple of others are sort of in the dark because I've nevr posted on that board under my own name.

He himself admits to being kicked off here in the past, but has always denied ever posting here. Yet he still comes looking for me......some people need to get a life.

688 posted on 05/26/2004 9:47:39 AM PDT by Gabz (We're Rural, Not Stupid on the Eastern Shore of VA)
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To: Gabz

whoever h/s/i is, h/s/i is not in america nor an American.
Looney tunes at any rate.


689 posted on 05/26/2004 4:53:46 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: takenoprisoner

They are both Canadians - I'm sorry, I should have said that.

If nothing else, it gives credence to my position this one person has been stalking me, even if he is telling the truth (which I doubt) about not being the troll from the other night.

I appreciate you bearing with me, and being so supportive regarding the problem.


690 posted on 05/26/2004 5:08:34 PM PDT by Gabz (We're Rural, Not Stupid on the Eastern Shore of VA)
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To: VRWC_minion

What smokers are advocating here is that property owner decide what legal behavior will be allowed on their property. Only in this way can supply and demand accommodate everyone. Some owners will elect for whatever reason, be it personal or economic, to have their establishment be a smoking facility, and some will not. Then patrons can then make decisions as to whether they wish to do business there. Since smokers are a minority, it is a safe assumption that popular vote would most likely result in the majority electing to ban smoking, since they have nothing to lose in this question. But, (I'm paraphrasing here) democracy should be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner! Should the rights of any group be denied simply because they are in the minority? In fact, we DO have the technology to make the air in indoor smoking facilities CLEANER than in non-smoking establishments without these ventilation systems, particularly restaurants, as cooking creates pollutants. We are WAY too focused on taking away personal freedom rather than finding solutions. It amazes me how willing most people are to give up their rights for the mere appearance of a reduction in risk. This IS a slippery slope, and our attitude about the smoking issue has already opened the door to a multitude of other "nanny" issues. Life is not, and never can be, risk free. To have a "life" without risk is not life at all, but rather "existence." Freedom, by definition, is CHOICE.


691 posted on 06/20/2004 7:12:12 AM PDT by scammed
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