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To: iamright
McCaul did work on the Chung case. Chung walked with probation. Clinton walked. Dozens left the country and got away. Chung claims that McCaul called him a 'great American', and asked Chung to speak at his funeral if the commies got to him. Chung claims that he had a long friendly dinner at McCaul's house with the family.

McCaul was a Prosecutor, not Chung's "defense counsel". McCaul says:

Michael McCaul uncovered one of the most profound and far-reaching political scandals of the Clinton administration. Through determination to reveal the truth, McCaul exposed the fact that Communist China was illegally funneling money into the Clinton administration in an effort to corrupt American elections. Michael McCaul prosecuted Johnny Chung during this investigation. Chung pleaded guilty and was a central witness. After his guilty plea, Chung turned state’s evidence and became a cooperating witness. Subsequently, he was placed under federal protection. Chung came to Washington DC and testified before the grand jury and the US Congress. McCaul worked with Republican leaders in Congress to reveal the truth regarding illicit behavior. Johnny Chung later tried to parlay his notoriety into a book or movie deal, and wrote sensational and largely fabricated stories about his experiences. Some of these are being used to try to misrepresent McCaul’s record. If it were not for one determined federal prosecutor – Michael McCaul – the American people would never have known about China’s illegal behavior. McCaul is an American patriot. Ben Streusand is wrong to suggest that McCaul did anything less than aggressively investigate and prosecute one of the biggest embarrassments in the Clinton administration.

What does it say about Streusand if he is using Communist Chung as his information source?

McCaul never gave any to anyone until 2000. Streusand was contributing to republicans since '89. ... [Streusand] has been a delegate and given lots of money and support for many years to republicans.

Neither candidate has contributed significantly to Republican candidates compared with their resources. Both have given less than $10k since 2000 and nothing before (FEC records). Streusand started doing fundraising and went to one convention after deciding to run for Congress. That's nice but sounds more like campaigning than being a "leader in the Republican party".

I have seen some flat out lies from McCaul. One about a wall street journal article saying Streusand was overcharging customers fees. There is no record to back that up. He distorted and obscure article. Another about the mortgage bankers association endorsing McCaul. He had to backtrack on that because it wasn't true. Another about Streusand giving money to the Texas democrats that left the state to stop redistricting. I have never seen or heard one source to back that up.

Have you reviewed the WSJ article about Streusand? If so, please post it. If not, it's unfair to call it a lie.

I don't know the details of the the mortgage banking association endorsement. I noted that it had a qualifier on it when it was posted.

Here is my interpretation:

A subset of the mortage banking organization gave McCaul an endorsement. Streusand was embarrassed by this and arranged for the endorsement to be retracted and obtained an endorsement by the entire organization.

I have never seen anything from the McCaul campaign about Streusand donations to the Chicken-Ds. Just a post on FR that was unsubstantiated.

The net result of all of this that you call "McCaul lies" is that none of them were "McCaul lies".

I don't like the negative ads I've seen by Streusand, Devine, or McCaul during this race, either.

Agreed.

But I haven't seen Streusand lie. He can back it up.

Here are a few Streusand lies:

That doesn't even start to address the Streusand misrepresentations like trying to link McCaul with Clinton allowing gays in the military, Mattox saying that home school children were the property of the state, etc.

111 posted on 04/09/2004 2:04:34 PM PDT by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: esarlls3; iamright
Greetings -

For purposes of clarification I don't think that McCaul is being completely honest either when he's saying that Streusand lied:

* "Janet Reno hand-picked Mike McCaul to be her lawyer, defending her incompetent actions in the Branch Dividian fiasco."

McCaul says: Two years after the tragedy in Waco, the Justice Department mobilized many lawyers to assist with the Congressional hearings. McCaul was one of many lawyers asked to attend the hearings, like scores of other Republicans and prosecutors in the Justice Department. Michael McCaul was never lead counsel to Janet Reno.

Notice that McCaul's response is carefully crafted to work around the Streusand quote while never directly rebutting that quote itself. This tactic is called equivocation. For example, McCaul points out he was "never lead counsel" to Reno yet Streusand's original quote did not say that - it said only that Janet Reno had hand picked him as her lawyer. McCaul also responds that he was "one of many lawyers" asked to attend the hearings. It is indeed true that hearings of that sort and magnitude have many lawyers "invited" to attend them, including from the justice department's many divisions. What he does not note is that these lawyers fall under many, many categories. It is perfectly feasible and in fact likely that the Justice Department brought along several of its rookies, interns, and other low level attorneys to simply observe that hearing for the experience value. Low level staff lawyers almost assuredly attended as well to provide logistical support for their agencies. These are the paper shufflers and errand runners who communicate messages and carry documents for the boss. Then, of course, is the actual legal team itself - a small group of the agency's high level attorneys who physically sit right behind the AG and serve in a very large part as her counselors. Mike McCaul was one of these. They generally don't stick the rookies and interns who are fresh out of law school in this third group, nor do they stick the mid-level paper shufflers there. They call on the DOJ's best and most experienced.

* "Mike McCaul told Chung that he 'would tell everyone that I (Johnny Chung) was an American hero.'" This is hearsay from a Communist.

Actually no, it isn't hearsay in the strict sense. It is the word of an eyewitness, albeit one of questionable credibility. If, for example, Joe Smith off the street went to the Streusand campaign and said "I heard Johnny Chung say that he heard McCaul tell him he was an American hero" then it would be a clear case of hearsay. By analogy, suppose your neighbor was indicted for murder of his mother in law. And suppose your wife was talking to him the day before the murder and he told her "I'm gonna let you in on a little secret of mine - I'm going to run over my mother in law with the SUV tommorrow night when she gets home from her evening jog." Your wife could probably testify against your neighbor without it being hearsay and in doing so give a strong piece of evidence to premeditation. OTOH, if your wife tries to testify that she heard from Mary Sue down the street that your neighbor told Mary Sue he was gonna run over his mother in law, it would be thrown out as hearsay without so much as a blink.

McCaul says: Johnny Chung later tried to parlay his notoriety into a book or movie deal, and wrote sensational and largely fabricated stories about his experiences. Some of these are being used to try to misrepresent McCaul’s record.

Knowing Chung that is entirely possible. I'd also advise McCaul, in the event that he believes himself to have been defamed by Chung, to pursue any pertinent charges against Chung in court.

112 posted on 04/11/2004 12:02:57 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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114 posted on 04/12/2004 5:56:29 AM PDT by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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