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McCaul, Streusand finally square off (Texas CD 10)
AMERICAN-STATESMAN ^ | March 24, 2004 | Ken Herman

Posted on 03/24/2004 11:11:02 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

Candidates for new congressional district focus on their Republican credentials.

HOUSTON -- Face to face for the first time since the primary, GOP congressional candidates Ben Streusand and Michael

McCaul stayed in tune with a runoff campaign that has devolved into an issue-free contest based on questioning each other's Republican credentials.

After several previously scheduled debates fell through when Streusand didn't show up, and after some last-minute negotiations needed to get McCaul to show up Tuesday, the two candidates sparred at an evening event organized by several Houston-area Republican clubs.

Streusand and McCaul will face off in an April 13 runoff that will decide who will represent the new 10th Congressional District, which stretches from Austin to suburban Houston.

No Democrat sought the seat, and, to date, no third-party or independent candidates have qualified for the November general election ballot.

The evening featured a four-question Q-and-A that showed little difference on the issues as the candidates, businessman Streusand and former federal prosecutor McCaul, tried to make the case that they had the most valuable experience.

Both offered bedrock Republican values, promising to defend the nation's borders, get government out of the way of business, cut federal spending and work to ban abortion.

The event started with opening-statement thrust and parry, with McCaul getting the ball rolling.

"I am getting kind of bloody, I must say, recently," McCaul said, blaming Streusand for a campaign that has "spiraled into one of the most negative, nasty campaigns the state of Texas has ever seen."

"The truth will prevail at the end of the day," McCaul said. "Good will prevail over evil, and it's time for this negative campaign to stop."

Streusand responded by blaming McCaul for initiating the negative battle.

"I am as committed as he is to running a clean campaign, and I want you to know that despite the expressions of righteous indignation on his part and despite the feeling that I don't feel like I've been treated fairly, I hope tonight we can talk about the issues," Streusand said.

What followed was 45 minutes of questions and answers that showed little difference between the candidates on the issues. McCaul touted his experience as an anti-terrorism official in the U.S. attorney's office.

Streusand, a mortgage banker, seemed unimpressed with McCaul's government service.

"Who do you want to give your checkbook to?" he asked voters in his closing statement. "Do you want to give it to somebody who has been in private enterprise his entire life, or do you want to give it to somebody who has worked for state and federal government his entire life?"

McCaul closed by challenging Streusand to stop running ads that erroneously say McCaul failed to sign an anti-tax hike promise.

Previous efforts to stage debates after the March 9 primary fell through when Streusand backed out of events in Houston and Brenham. His campaign cited a scheduling conflict when he missed a previous Houston event and dissatisfaction with event organizers when he skipped the Brenham debate.

The Brenham event had been organized by McCaul's Washington County chairman, who also is the head of a GOP club in that county.

Until Tuesday afternoon, McCaul was unsure whether he would attend the event because of concerns about moderator Debbie Riddle, a state representative and Streusand supporter. After several hours of negotiations, McCaul decided to show up.

Streusand, who has put more than $2.3 million of his own money into what has become the nation's most expensive congressional race, is running television spots tying McCaul to Democrats, a link that could be fatal in this heavily Republican district.

McCaul has been forced to spend much of his time and some of his money ($1 million so far) responding and reminding GOP voters that Streusand, who has given more than $500,000 to Republican candidates and causes, made contributions to two Democrats, former U.S. Rep. Ken Bentsen and former U.S. Sen. Bob Krueger.

Streusand's commercials note that McCaul worked in the Justice Department under President Clinton. The spot does not mention that McCaul was a nonpolitical appointee who began at the agency when the first President Bush, who is endorsing him, was in office.


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To: Tall_Texan
"So, I don't have the same amount of self-righteous indignation as he has shown."

I think that's a valid point and it is one of the things that turns me away from McCaul the most. The guy is downright arrogant about the fact that he was a bureaucrat, or "public servant" as he likes to call it. Whenever he gets criticized of this he seems to fire up the whine machine and starts this pseudo-moralistic line about how unfair it is to attack him. Streusand's no saint in this area but his reactions to being attacked on his own deficiencies are substantially more professional than McCaul's (in fact, if McCaul had used a little more professionalism in responding to those attacks rather than pseudo-moralism and crocodile tears, I might be less inclined to oppose him).

41 posted on 03/27/2004 11:15:08 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
One major different between this run-off and others is that there is no Democrat or Independant running. The reason this run-off is expensive is that it is, in all regards, the general election, barring the unexpected death of the winner.

So this is really a November campaign being waged in spring. Because of that, voters need not worry about who is perceived as the most electable or who would have the greater resources to defeat a Democrat in November.

As I've said before, in the primary, you vote your hopes and in the general election, you vote your fears. While Streusand isn't everything I hope for, he does send a message that we will not just blindly support Rove's annointed candidate.

The Rove gang have been noticably absent in supporting people who upset their preferred guy. Witness how little they did for Schundler in New Jersey and Simon in California. The Bushies talk a good game about a "big tent" but they don't seem to make room for conservatives in that tent who beat their annointed "electable" moderates in the primaries.

Since we don't need to worry about defeating a Democrat in November, all that pomp about attracting crossovers and choosing someone "electable" is irrelevant. Frankly, I like that thought and I plan to take advantage of it by electing what I perceive as the most conservative option.
42 posted on 03/27/2004 12:53:10 PM PST by Tall_Texan (The War on Terror is mere collateral damage to the Democrats' War on Bush.)
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To: GOPcapitalist
If it's true that Steve Hotze is support Streusand, there's only one reason why ...$$$$$$ pay off time. Now is that the type candidate you want to support???? I'm shocked.

I still say that when practically all the elected officials that WE voted to elect are supporting McCaul, including an ex President Bush, both Senators, and a long list of State officers, including Jerry Patterson, what is it that they know that we don't know. Why shouldn't we trust our elected officials judgment, (not entirely) when Streusand had NO elected offices supporting him and McCaul has most of them.

And you are supporting someone who gave money to Democrats against our Republicans, including Bernice Johnson. Ugh.
43 posted on 03/28/2004 11:33:48 AM PST by Gracey (NOT Fonda Kerry and his 9.10 Democrat Party mentality)
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To: Gracey
If it's true that Steve Hotze is support Streusand, there's only one reason why ...$$$$$$ pay off time.

Normally yes. Though there are always two possible scenarios with Hotze. He endorses because (a) somebody pays him or (b) the other guy refuses his advances for payment, making him mad and causing him to endorse the opponent. Scenario (a) is more frequent, though I do know of him doing the other as well. I am currently attempting to track down verification of what exactly transpired with Streusand and, if it turns out to be what you suspect, I'll happily denounce his candidacy. That won't make me any friendlier towards McCaul, but I will no longer believe that Streusand is any better.

I still say that when practically all the elected officials that WE voted to elect are supporting McCaul, including an ex President Bush, both Senators, and a long list of State officers, including Jerry Patterson, what is it that they know that we don't know.

Patterson is a valid endorsement and one I generally respect. I don't respect the endorsements of any of those others though, regardless of what they know or do not know. Remember, Cornyn apparently "knows" something that caused him to endorse Paul Green. So did Perry. It's just that what they "know" ammounts to nothing more than the fact that Steven Wayne Smith embarrassed Perry's hand picked David Souter wannabe for the supreme court. So I really can't justify throwing my support to somebody based on the fact that he's got elected official endorsements - I guess I'm just becoming cynical ;-)

44 posted on 03/28/2004 4:35:14 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
While Streusand seems to not have impressed many of the statewides (or
was it certain media mogul who DID impress them???), his endorsements
are solid conservative all the way. I, for one, find it hard to argue
with endorsements like Cathie Adams & Peggy Venable. Paul Bettencourt
isn't too shabby, either, and no one can call Devine a squish. I have
been following this from the fall, and what I have noticed is that
Streusand has been consistently out in front on the issues from day 1.
Taxes, immigration, etc... He has been very specific and, to my mind,
right on. The only thing McCaul ever talks about is that he was Chief
Counter Terrorism Officer at the FBI. You know what? There is no such
thing! Which leads me to other fabrications... his quoting of
endorsements by Terry Keel, the Texas Mortgage Bankers Assoc & others
have been retracted over the past couple of weeks... very
impressive...

The only experience of any prominence seems to have been when McCaul
was hand-picked by Reno to defend her actions in Waco. If he has such
strong character (and doesn't exactly need the money), why didn't he
say no? Prominent lawyers at Justice DID say no and quit when working
with Reno, in addition to the MANY who were swept out when she first
took office...
45 posted on 03/31/2004 8:30:22 AM PST by mary elizabeth
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To: mary elizabeth
Your right - McCaul's message is simply not impressive. I mean, if the guy would only add a little substance to his campaign! I've been waiting for 3 months to see if he'll distinguish himself on any issue and he hasn't. His message is STILL the same old thing it was back in January and February and the beginning of March. It condenses down to four points:

1. "Vote for me because I'm a career government bureaucrat."
2. "Vote for me because I'm John Cornyn's/Rick Perry's/the party elite's (pick one) candidate."
3. "Vote for me because I agree with all that stuff the other candidates are saying too."
4. "Quit picking on me!"

He's entirely unimpressive and, with a message like that, unfit to run for dog catcher much less congress. JMHO.

46 posted on 03/31/2004 9:57:08 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: mary elizabeth
The only experience of any prominence seems to have been when McCaul was hand-picked by Reno to defend her actions in Waco.

Your presumption here is that what Streusand published was the whole truth. Here is what really happened:

Two years after the tragedy in Waco, the Justice Department mobilized many lawyers to assist with the Congressional hearings. McCaul was one of many lawyers asked to attend the hearings, like scores of other Republicans and prosecutors in the Justice Department. Michael McCaul was never lead counsel to Janet Reno.


Why I Support Michael McCaul

I met privately with McCaul and Streusand last fall. I sent questions about issues to each candidate. McCaul answered, Streusand didn’t. I met each candidate in public forums for semi-private discussions of issues. I studied their campaign materials. I attended the Katy debate of all 8 candidates. I am volunteering my time and effort to support Michael McCaul because:

McCaul's experience as Chief of Terrorism and National Security (covering threats to Texas, including border security with Mexico) is needed in Congress to fund and oversee anti-terrorism efforts.

McCaul understands the FairTax (see FairTax.org) – the only tax reform plan that untaxes U.S. exports and brings jobs back to the U.S. without tariffs, subsidies, or government regulations.

McCaul is not “just another lawyer”. He has honorably served Texas and the United States as a prosecutor. He has created innovative programs to protect our families from criminals.

McCaul has experience using laws passed by Congress (including the Patriot Act) to prosecute criminals. He knows the civil liberty issues surrounding intelligence and law enforcement.

McCaul has support from: Former President George H. W. Bush, Senators John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison, Former Senator Phil Gramm, Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, Representative Corbin Van Arsdale, Sheriff Tommy Thomas, District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal, County Attorney Mike Stafford, Young Conservatives of Texas, College Republicans, and more (see: www.McCaulForCongress.com).

PLEASE JOIN ME IN VOTING FOR MICHAEL MCCAUL.
THE WINNER OF THIS RACE WILL BE OUR
REPRESENTATIVE FOR MANY YEARS
PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO VOTE
Early voting: April 5 to 8 . Election: April 13

47 posted on 03/31/2004 11:15:04 AM PST by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: esarlls3
To touch on your points for McCaul, I will agree with you on several points... I have no reason to believe Mike is not an outstanding lawyer, and will serve us well when it is time to write new laws. But that's not what I want. I want someone to start REPEALING laws and CUTTING BUDGETS. You cite McCaul's working on the Patriot Act. I would bet many conservatives, including myself, are none too happy
about the Patriot Act. You cite his support of the Fair Tax. This must be new for Mike, as Streusand was putting out literature LAST YEAR discussing this in detail. Mike just started talking about it. You also cite the supposed experience he touts as "Chief of Terrorism" in DC. As I mentioned before, there is NO SUCH THING. Feel free to call the FBI & DOJ to find out for yourself.

You are correct that we must be careful, as the man we elect will probably be around for awhile. We need someone who is taking strong specific stands on the conservative issues we care about, like standing up to the Cornyn/Bush immigration plan (McCaul's "big buddies"). It is up to all of us to choose wisely.
48 posted on 03/31/2004 2:09:08 PM PST by mary elizabeth
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To: mary elizabeth
I want someone to start REPEALING laws and CUTTING BUDGETS.

I challenged both Streusand and McCaul to cut spending. I told them I don't want any pork coming home - I want someone who will challenge Ron Paul for the Taxpayers Best Friend award. Here is what McCaul says:

Federal spending is driven by government bureaucracies and wasteful programs that are systematically funded, year after year, through massive “omnibus” spending bills which virtually no one actually reads, especially those in Congress who vote to spend the money. I strongly favor a Federal Agency “Sunset” Law so that each bureaucracy and every single funded program must justify its existence,. This system in Texas has saved millions of dollars, and it is time we made Washington more closely account for every expenditure.

You cite McCaul's working on the Patriot Act. I would bet many conservatives, including myself, are none too happy about the Patriot Act.

I did not cite "McCaul's working on the Patriot Act". I cited McCaul's "using laws ... to prosecute criminals". This includes using the Patriot Act as a prosecutor. I met with McCaul last November with about 20 other activists. One of the main concerns raised in our meeting was over the Patriot Act. We let him know loud and clear that there are parts of it that concern us and we do not want it extended indefinitely. He is well aware of the issues and is in a position to discuss what is essential from a law enforcement perspective and what may be helpful but not essential and not worth the loss of liberty and due process. There are few in Congress who could speak from experience on this issue.

You cite his support of the Fair Tax. This must be new for Mike, as Streusand was putting out literature LAST YEAR discussing this in detail. Mike just started talking about it.

McCaul has been speaking about the FairTax in every speaking event I have seen since last November. He has also included it in some of his mailers. Granted, he has not spent as much money on advertising as Streusand. I have spoken at length with McCaul and Streusand about the FairTax as this is a hot topic for me. Streusand's understanding is that it is a hot topic. He has a general idea about how it works and that it gets rid of the IRS. He does not understand how it will impact our economy in various areas. McCaul has a much more detailed understanding of the potential for the FairTax and how it will help solve many problems, including Trade Deficit, Jobs, and Illegal Immigration. In fact, McCaul has asked specific questions about how the FairTax will impact different sectors of the economy.

You also cite the supposed experience he touts as "Chief of Terrorism" in DC. As I mentioned before, there is NO SUCH THING. Feel free to call the FBI & DOJ to find out for yourself.

McCaul's position was: "Chief, Terrorism and National Security Section within the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney's Office for the Western Judicial District of Texas". I apologize if my abbreviation was misleading. If you want a phone number to call to verify his position, I can probably get you one. His duties included:

McCaul was in this position last summer when threats against were received against Texas Refineries over the 4th of July weekend. He was on duty reviewing the threat, analyzing the intelligence, wishing for better data, worrying about vulnerabilities, etc.

I feel this experience is especially helpful in todays environment. I don't know of any others in Congress who have experience working on this side of the Terrorism issue. This is the biggest threat to our economic and physical security we face in today's world. I want someone in Congress who knows the issues they will have to address.

McCaul supports securing the Mexican border, including the usage of National Guard, if needed. This is required for National Security and Illegal Immigration issues. He does NOT support the Bush plan to let illegal aliens stay here as legal residents.

Yes, we must choose wisely. Is this the experience we need in Congress? Or do we need a Mortgage Banker sitting in Congress?

I choose McCaul. Please join me.

49 posted on 04/01/2004 7:09:28 AM PST by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: esarlls3
Banker? Lawyer? Lawyer? Banker? Hmmm tough choice.

One has real world experience about setting a budget and living by it. The other doesn't.

One has shown they can start a business from scratch and build into a successful multi-million dollar company. The other hasn't.

One has the independant wealth to be his own man in Washington, not beholden to the Bush/Rove/Perry machine. The other isn't.

It's nice to say McCaul disagrees with Bush on immigration but what happens when the bill goes through the House and the GOP machinery browbeats him to go along with it? What happens when they say "Look, Mike, who got you elected to this job? Who fronted you the money and lined up the endorsements for you? If you want our help next time, you'll vote as we say you will." And, like any lawyer, he'll take the position of his client, namely the Bush team.

Streusand may not be perfect but at least I know the votes he'll cast will be most likely what he believes in, not what he's told to vote. Subtle difference there, but one I think is very important for advancing conservatism.


50 posted on 04/01/2004 9:10:12 AM PST by Tall_Texan (The War on Terror is mere collateral damage to the Democrats' War on Bush.)
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To: All
“As the author of the Texas concealed handgun law and a staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment, I’m endorsing Michael McCaul for U.S. Congress. Michael McCaul is A-rated by the National Rifle Association and is endorsed by the Texas Farm Bureau. Michael is a strong supporter of the rights of gun owners. As a prosecutor, Michael believes we don’t need more gun laws, we need to do a better job of enforcing laws we already have. That’s why Michael has been endorsed by President George H. W. Bush, Senators John Cornyn and Phil Gramm and many more Republican leaders. The choice is clear.”

Jerry Patterson, Texas Land Commissioner

51 posted on 04/01/2004 11:33:54 AM PST by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: mary elizabeth
Welcome to Free Republic Mary Elizabeth. It's always nice to have a new voice. If you enjoy, as we do, arguing with people who have already made up their minds, then this should be a pleasant diversion for you.
52 posted on 04/01/2004 11:53:38 AM PST by YCTHouston
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To: esarlls3
New McCaul Endorsements:


Anyone wanting to meet Michael McCaul can email me, I have a list of appearances. Volunteers are also needed. Contact me or McCaul For Congress.
GOPUSA Poll: Votes: 217, McCaul: 84%, Streusand: 14%, Undecided: 1%
53 posted on 04/01/2004 11:54:33 AM PST by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: YCTHouston
If you enjoy, as we do, arguing with people who have already made up their minds, then this should be a pleasant diversion for you.

It's easier than finding someone who is undecided :). At least most people here are seeking information about the candidates before they arrive at the voting booth.

54 posted on 04/01/2004 11:58:44 AM PST by esarlls3 (Volunteer McCaul Supporter)
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To: esarlls3
esarlls3, I guess Patterson will be dismissed a RINO now?

Seriously, it's kinda perverse that McCaul is being attacked here for recieving the endorsements of the Republican leadership WE elected. Sure, they all have faults, some more than others. And I happily bash some of them on these boards.

But this effort to lump them all into some massive, nefarious, Karl Rove-orchestrated pro-amnesty conspiracy is just getting into the black helicopter range.

Incidentally, I made it for part of the Katy debate Tuesday. Won't bother with a play-by-play since most here have made up their minds, but I did leave with the impression that Streusand had rehearsed his red-meat applause lines. McCaul, though equally unexciting, came across IMO as a little more humble and serious about the job. Regardless, attendance was pretty low.

If people thought turnout was low in March, just wait to see how far we dip in the runoff. I think at least part of the explanation for the low-turnout and low-interest in general is the excessively negative, ad hominem tone to the campaign - largely, again IMO, launched by Johnny Dee-vine and Streusand. Sorry if all the very macho people here consider that "whining," but that's the reason Harris County is sitting out the election.
55 posted on 04/01/2004 12:08:28 PM PST by YCTHouston
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To: YCTHouston; mary elizabeth; esarlls3; GOPcapitalist
I guess Patterson will be dismissed a RINO now?

There is one endorsement that Streusand would like to have.

There are a couple of others that can't support Streusand because he gave a little money to some dimocraps before he was serious about politics. Like McCaul when he worked for Reno (I think I would have quit rather than have to spit on her to put her out if she was on fire, the Waco butcher, the Castro appeaser). McCaul also seemed to be apolitical until recently.

But how about State Sen. Lindsay? Would love to see him replaced. Voted for hate crimes law. Treated those people trying to reform property taxes like they were pan-handlers begging for a free drink. Endorses McCaul.

On the other hand, Paul Bettencourt has endorsed Streusand. One of THE MOST tireless fighters in the state against higher taxes and tax waste. Leading the fight for property tax reform. Streusand has led on tax reform and every other issue (except terrorism).

If McCaul is the guy to fight terrorism, then maybe he should stay (or is it go back to?) the US AG's office, or to Homeland Security, or FBI, or CIA, or "Chief, Terrorism and National Security Section within the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney's Office for the Western Judicial District of Texas"? Either way I hope he is more succesful than he was under Clinton/Reno:

1. Brags about Johnny Chung. Guess what, the bag man for Communist money (appeared to be bribing the bent US President) walked with probation.

2. Clinton walked, no charges

3. The Waco ButcheReno walked.

4. As "Chief, Terrorism and National Security Section within the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney's Office for the Western Judicial District of Texas". ...Investigate the porous Mexico border (any arrests, any changes in porosity of the border?) and work actively with the Mexican law enforcement officials to prevent terrorist activities (like others work actively with the Mexican law enforcement officials to catch coyote's and drug smugglers? ) Well, how successful has that been for him, for us?

I guess you just have to remind me of McCaul's accomplishments. Not where he worked. Not how long he was there. Not who he knows. Not what he investigated. Not who he coordinated with. Not what he was wishing for. Not what he was worrying about.

But what did he make happen that he was directly responsible for?

Tough guy, being "Chief, Terrorism and National Security Section within the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney's Office for the Western Judicial District of Texas". But so sensitive, too...

56 posted on 04/01/2004 8:53:44 PM PST by iamright (Friends don't let friends go left!)
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To: iamright
Tough guy, being "Chief, Terrorism and National Security Section within the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney's Office for the Western Judicial District of Texas".

There's a general rule of thumb in the federal government bureaucracy: the longer the job title, the more useless the position.

57 posted on 04/01/2004 10:04:54 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: YCTHouston
Seriously, it's kinda perverse that McCaul is being attacked here for recieving the endorsements of the Republican leadership WE elected.

I reluctantly voted for Perry and Cornyn because there wasn't any better choice and because I vote to mitigate the evils of government by electing the candidate who will inflict the least harm to myself and my wallet, not to gain control of the ring of power. I won't be making that same mistake ever again with Perry, and if somebody better will challenge him in 4 years I'll work against Cornyn too.

My point: That we elected those officeholders doesn't mean we have to approve of their endorsements. A soldier on the battlefield wields his sword at his attacker not because he personally desires to harm him among untold thousands of other attackers on that same field but rather because his failure to do so will result in his attacker rendering the same in reverse upon him. He therefore fights of necessity to preserve himself against a percieved evil in the enemy. He uses the sword because it is a tool to mitigate against the harm that others will inflict upon him. Just the same, the ballot box is our tool to mitigate, however small a degree it may be in, against the harm inflicted upon us by government.

58 posted on 04/01/2004 10:18:28 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Tall_Texan
It's nice to say McCaul disagrees with Bush on immigration but what happens when the bill goes through the House and the GOP machinery browbeats him to go along with it?

If his campaign is any indicator, he'll give a speech in which he refers to it as the "undocumented worker" problem, sniffle a little, whine about how tough the pressure of congress is on him, vote for a watered down but nevertheless unacceptable version of it, and walk off claiming he scored a "victory" for conservatives.

59 posted on 04/01/2004 10:22:23 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: esarlls3; YCTHouston; iamright; Tall_Texan
McCaul supports securing the Mexican border, including the usage of National Guard, if needed.

I hope you are right and I hope any candidate for Congress would do the same. One big question remains in my mind though: why did he publicly and repeatedly use the PC terminology of "undocumented worker" to refer to illegals? I ask because there are only two types of people who regularly use that term, and neither is very desirable:

(1) Liberal PC nazis who want the illegals to vote for them in exchange for more welfare

(2) Republicans who want the illegals for cheap labor and need to sell that position to the party faithful in sugarcoated language.

Here's a question that I'd like to see McCaul and Streusand answer:

Will you commit right here and right now to joining Tom Tancredo's immigration caucus if elected?

If any of you have access to either candidate please ask them this and please ask them to make it public. Unfortunately I can't as I am the state until after the runoff.

If they answer as I desire them to do it will improve my opinion and probably that of most conservatives. Otherwise I have virtually zero reason to trust McCaul on this issue, especially in light of his "undocumented worker" freudian slip. Nor do I have much of a reason to trust Streusand on it, the only difference being a very uneasy benefit of the doubt in that he hasn't slipped up in public...yet.

60 posted on 04/01/2004 10:34:21 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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