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To: stand watie
traditional scholarship held (correctly in my view) that the WBTS was, while complex in causation, PRIMARILY about a continuation of the American Revolution.

it was about LIBERTY for dixie.nothing more,nothing less.

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union, even by war; while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.

Once again, you're almost right. The "liberty" Dixie sought was the liberty of "wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces." The evil Union, acting through the elected representatives of the people, decided that they could have their precious chattel slavery, so long as it didn't go farther than it already had. That didn't suit the southerners; just as the ban on partial birth abortion doesn't suit contemporary liberals. Therefore they decided to take their ball and go home.

Does anyone seriously believe that if the Southern states had been allowed to secede they would have maintained their precious confederacy for any longer than it took each individual state to get pissed off over some decision by the majority that didn't jibe with its "interests"? The result would have been a hodgepodge of small, poor, agrarian nations, each run by an aristocratic oligarchy. Slaves and arrogance; that's a pretty good assessment. I'm glad they got their butts kicked, and what's more, you should be happy too.

328 posted on 01/11/2004 5:44:59 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Agnes Heep
The result would have been a hodgepodge of small, poor, agrarian nations, each run by an aristocratic oligarchy. Slaves and arrogance; that's a pretty good assessment. I'm glad they got their butts kicked, and what's more, you should be happy too.

Your prediction is logically inassailable. You can deduce anything from a false hypothesis.

329 posted on 01/11/2004 7:03:37 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Agnes Heep
the BIG flaws in your analysis are that:

1. the damnyankees owned THOUSANDS of slaves themselves, which they planned to keep after the southland was beaten,

2.the many banks,insurance companies,railroads & other similar large business interests in damnyankeeland hurried in 1864-65 to protect their "rights to their slave property". unfortunately for the damnyankee revisionists, those records still exist.

3.no less a personage than MG benjamin "the beast" butler sent a letter to stanton asking him how the "contrabands" could be put in a "service of perpetual servitude".

4.high officers in the yankee army, as late as mid-1863 were still selling captured slaves & FREEMEN into slavery on the block in New Orleans. the African American museum in NO has the original documents of sale on public display.

unless you are willing to believe that the damnyankee elites were "men with two tongues, but no hearts" (as southrons & AIs have always said the damnyankees demonstrably are!) AND hateFILLED hypocrites, then by the damnyankees own actions,the WBTS was NOT ever about slavery!

for the south, the war was about LIBERTY;for the north the war was about imperialist conquest of a neighboring nation and/or attempting to coerce the southland to remain in a permanently subordinate position, relative to the north but within "the union of the unwilling".

free dixie,sw

342 posted on 01/12/2004 8:38:35 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Agnes Heep
FYI, the American Bible Society recently QUIETLY paid several hundred-thousand dollars in reparations to the desendents of the ORGANIZATION's own slaves.(one wonders when the ABS will pay reparations to the desendents of the MURDERED civilians in MO, who were slaughtered by the redlegs/KS militia/jayhawkers with the Spencer Repeating Rifles that the "oh, so wunerful,wunerful, marvelous & (SELF)righteous bible-thumpers of old boston" sent to the KS FILTH as "Bibles for Kansas"??????)

so did a major Boston,MA bank.

while chattal slavery was a HIDEIOUS EVIL,the damnyankees hands are anything but clean when it comes to having funded the slave trade, owning ALL the US-registry slave ships AND actually owning THOUSANDS of slaves themselves, until well after Richmond fell in 1865.

345 posted on 01/12/2004 9:18:19 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Agnes Heep
"I'm glad they got their butts kicked"

Hardly an a$$ whoopin', considering the blue-zone socialists suffered a much greater number of battlefield casualties. Considering their far superior numbers and materials at the time, their eventual victory is hardly an accomplishment that anyone should feel compelled to brag about.

352 posted on 01/12/2004 7:47:26 PM PST by Godebert
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