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To: Jokelahoma; I_dmc
[Jokelahoma] The argument put forth, that "the Cherokee fought with the South, so the Feds MUST have been wrong" is tenuous to begin with. "All cows have hair, Bob has hair, so Bob must be a cow", if you will.

Your first statement of his argument (to put a name to your complaint) points out that he is advancing what I think debaters would call a syllogistic error, specifically the error called an "illicit minor": the subject of his major conclusion (about the Civil War) talks about all of the Lincolnian cause, but the premise (about the Cherokee declaration) only mentions one case in point.

Your second statement, of the form of the original poster's error, I think is of the form of a category error, specifically an error of composition, in which specific characteristics (hair) of a part of something (Bob) are sufficient to assign him to a category (cow).

If anything, the obvious omission of pertinent prior events makes the argument even weaker and therefore undermines his position somewhat.

You are now accusing him of an inductive error, either hasty generalization (the experience of the Oklahoma Indians with Federal policy is too narrow to generalize about federal policy) or else unrepresentative sample, i.e. the policies being complained about in the Indian declaration are unrepresentative of the policies of the federal government as a whole.

Picking two whole sources and quoting one document that supports his position while flatly ignoring anything that doesn't support his position or may call it into question in the least smacks of Democratic candidate methodology.

You're describing another inductive fallacy now -- exclusion (picking your data).

Seems you have a few complaints with the post!!

;^)

267 posted on 01/09/2004 12:47:16 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Your post just brought back the horrors of critical thinking class. LOL!
268 posted on 01/09/2004 12:48:32 PM PST by carton253 (It's time to draw your sword and throw away the scabbard... General TJ Jackson)
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To: lentulusgracchus
But I... I mean... and that... syllogistic... fallacy... Uh... yeah! What you said!

Thank you for reminding me why I was a musician and never studied forensics (as my posts here no doubt prove). Give me notes on a paper and I can understand it. Give me that type a breakdown of what I just said, and I'm left scratching my head. For the sake of my pride, I'll assume "I done good". For the sake of my ego, please don't tell me if I didn't. :-)

You're correct, however, that I don't much care for the article. It did give both sides of the argument all the toehold they needed to launch into the debate, so I guess it served its purpose. And it's fun to watch these threads evolve (some might say devolve) as the topic slowly changes based on the content of replies. Who knew that an article about the Cherokee declaring war on the Union would end up in a debate as to whether or not Stonewall owned slaves? By the way, does Godwin's Law apply on Free Republic, or is that a Usenet only rule? :-)

277 posted on 01/09/2004 1:21:46 PM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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