Why the Cherokee Nation Allied Themselves With the Confederate States of America in 1861

Lew Rockwell.com ^ | January 7, 2004 | Leonard M. Scruggs

[Mamzelle]

I did point out earlier that the Cherokee made a lot of wars and dominated surrounding tribes. This wasn't to denigrate--just to put some reality in all the romance. It wasn't the biggest tribe around by accident--it absorbed many other tribes. Andrew Jackson betrayed them cruelly--but they were not without cruelty themselves.

No human being is.

[dixierat22]

That may be. The fact is that most of the men who made up the Confederate Army were, in their minds at least, fighting for the independence of the South from the Union.

The major travesty of the war is that 600,00+ Americans died.

[stand watie]

the "Place Where We Cried" was about 2 decades before TWBTS!

the damnyankees DID spend an awful amount of time trying to think of something permanent & HATEFUL to do to the CSA Indians, as well as committing mass rapes, assaults,arsons,tortures,looting & THOUSANDS of coldblooded MURDERS of my people, during & after the war. most of these WAR CRIMES were committed against innocent civilians & helpless CSA POWs!

MY family had at least 92 innocent women, elderly men (too old & infirm to bear arms) & small children raped/tortured/sodomized/robbed & MURDERED during a 4-day orgy of drunken violence in 1864.

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[stand watie]

the actual number is about 1,000,000 dead.

there were about 400,000 civilan casualties, mnostly caused by the damnyankees!

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[stand watie]

TRUE!

there was only ONE perfect man. they crucified Him!

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[NativeSon]

...No human being is

Yes. AI's made/make good soldiers for many reasons, savagery in battle is one.

That the Cherokee survive in numbers today is in good part due to strength. I have never been one to abide the 'romantic eye' on AI's.

[stand watie]

i am reminded of the immortal words of Red Cloud of the Lakota Nation:

"the hairy faces came among us and made us many promises.

more promises than there are leaves on all the trees.

but of all the promises they made, they kept just one.

they said they would take our land away!"

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[gopheraj]

Agree. My great grandfather and family didn't register either. I am doing research now on the Cherokee and reading a book by John Ehle. There was a bounty on Cherokee scalps of $35 by the whites. Didnt' matter whether it was man, woman or child either.

[stand watie]

nor i either.

i just want the southland & our tribe to be free of damnyankee (read hateFILLED LIBERAL northeastern elites!) influence.

i want them out of our lives & our house to be left alone. take nothing from us & give us nothing either.

especially keep their "gun control" measures, high taxes,social programs,welfare,busing,murder of the unborn,etc.

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[Tax-chick]

It reminds me of the (apocryphal?) story of an Indian chief who was asked what one piece of advice he would give the U.S. President: "Watch your immigration policies!"

Re: Jackson owning slaves. His wife had slaves ... who owned them? Was legal ownership never transferred from her father? If it was, wouldn't the husband (Jackson) be the legal owner, even though he scrupulously spoke of "your (Anna's) garden," "your orchard," etc.? I admit I'm not up on marital-property law of the time.

[VadeRetro]

the "Place Where We Cried" was about 2 decades before TWBTS!

Right. The Jackson administration, versus the Lincoln administration. Nevertheless, what I cite happened as well. The Indian Territory was cut in two, with the western half seized and basically neglected by the feds until Oklahoma statehood in 1905.

I was unaware of the particular atrocities you mention during the war itself. I guess the winners write the history.

[NativeSon]

i want them out of our lives & our house to be left alone. take nothing from us & give us nothing either.

This is all we as AI's have ever wanted. Heck, most true Americans feel the same.

I have stated here on FR before the true destruction of American Indians began with the addiction of dependancy. If Americans want to know what is the outcome of elitism/leftism it is total dependancy on the governemnt for all things.

[stand watie]

i have NOT checked Stonewall's father-in-laws tax records.

VA's "femme sole laws" as well as "dower & curtsy acts" (passed in the early 1700s) do NOT grant a wife's separate property to her husband upon marriage. all her SEPARATE property remains SEPARATE & passes upon her death to her children, if any. (incidently, i found out about this the hard way when my late wife passed away in 1984. her FATHER received V.K.'s separate property, as she passed away w/o children! i got ZILCH from her estate.)

HIS separate property is SHARED with his wife upon marriage 50/50! (my wife's family got 1/2 of my property upon her death, because she had no living children to inherit her 1/2 of our marital property.)

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[stainlessbanner]

Thomas J. Jackson was noted for his respect of all black folk, freedmen and slaves. He started a Sunday school to teach the youngsters about the Lord and give them a basic education.

[stand watie]

to quote Professor Arnold Toynbee, the Oxford historiographer:

"history is fiction, popularly agreed on by tyrants & conquerers!"

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[stand watie]

EXACTLY!

[bc2]

Hey! I take your comment about bass players personally!

I play bass in a hard rock band but even though I'm from NYS I enjoy country and bluegrass music and would love to join a nice old-style country combo.

(I just had to add to the level of hate on a FR Civil War thread!)

hahaha regards,

brainless bass playin' bc2

[Agnes Heep]

The major travesty of the war is that 600,00+ Americans died.

We may not be perfect, but we always try to right our wrongs, even at such horrific cost.

[Tax-chick]

I know that. I'm simply curious about whether he personally owned slaves, since it seems to be a topic of dispute here; trying to expand my knowledge. The answer will not change my opinion of Gen. Jackson, for whom I have named a son :-).

[Jokelahoma]

Heh! I haven't played bass since high school. It's a fun instrument to play. But seriously, with a lot of country music (or some other genres, for that matter) you have to admit, it can be rather, well, unchallenging. I, IV, V, with the occasional II if the songwriter was feeling frisky, and that's it. Criminy, you can play the bass part to "Achy Breaky Heart" and never move your hand. I played keyboards in a Dixie combo in college, just because I only needed one hand to do it most of the time, and could hold my drink in the other hand. In the "boom chick" parts, I could play the "chick" and drink on the "boom". Of course, my bar tabs always seemed to equal my paycheck for the night. Ah, youth.

The "brain damage/country bass player" comment is a running joke I've had for years. I've only added the Lew Rockwell.com part in the last couple years, because it seemed appropriate. Oh well, back to my Curious George books. It's getting good! Boy, can that little monkey get in lots of trouble! My article is soooo going to rock...