Posted on 11/07/2003 12:35:42 PM PST by carlo3b
They also forbade you from legislating religion.
Now wait a minute. You are dead set against divorce, but it is OK if a spouse violated some civil law? No divorce except in cases of adultery or speeding tickets? And abuse does not include physically beating someone?
Divorce is allowed in cases of adultery OR in cases of abandonment, primarily by an unbelieving spouse. The violation of civil law was brought into the discussion to show that a lawbreaker, at least a habitual one, is not a believer and if they leave then we can let them go. Other instances of abandonment need to be bounced against the totality of scripture. I know that in the light of scripture adultery does not have to be physical, a person can commit adultery in his heart.
Off topic but spanking is not beating someone. It is not abuse. And it is scripturally commanded.
Should a family be ruined because the husband couldn't keep his hands to himself? What if he comes home with AIDS? He dies, the innocent wife dies, the kids are orphans. What if the secretary files an EEO type complaint? Even if he's innocent of harrassment he still will lose everything. And his family suffers for it. He and his family are far better off if he remembers to only touch what really belongs to him.
Every form of sexual or romantic activity outside of marriage is adultery. A married man should not even give a car ride to a woman he is not married to without a chaperone. Phone sex or masturbation have no place in a marriage. Both fall into the range of adultery.
Note however that the bible gives permission to divorce for adultery. It does not command it. It is the preferred solution for the wronged spouse to forgive.
you->They also forbade you from legislating religion.
Yet if you read their writings they all assumed that this country would stay Christian, populated by men who acted like Godly men and not like animals.
Also they forbade us from establishing a federal religion, not from legislating moral behavior. And since all adultery or sodomite sexual activity is immoral, it should also be illegal.
Every time I read that sentence, the soundtrack from the "Twilight Zone" plays in my head.
I believe you have issues my friend. And that these issues are somehow so important to you that you must find away to overcome their distaste, by bullying, cajoling, and twisting the facts. Having accomplished that simple chore, you see that as an acceptable alternative to being thought of as a freak.. so be it.. I don't think you are a freak anymore. I now believe that you, and your perverted cabal that wish to shove your immorality in the clean faces of normal folks can not be redeemed by mere mortal men, you need divine intervention..
You and your friends are just ill, deeply ill, and fatally scared. Pity, I know that there must have been someone that once had hopes and faith in your future happiness. I doubt that is still the case. Go away and hide, and seek forgiveness, but leave us, and especially me alone.. You are far beyond anything I can do to help you.. sorry.
Drop dead you sanctimoneous, judgemental ass.
There was a story on Fox News last night about a Kurdish girl who moved from Iraq to England with her family. She began dressing in western styles, wearing makeup, and took up with a boyfriend. Her father stabbed her to death. Called it an "honor" killing. British police have identified something like a dozen other "honor" killings in that country.
I'm sure you can't connect the dots between that father and your position on dealing with those whose behavior you disapprove of, but the dots are there none the less.
And they specifically stated what the government should be legislating, "immoral" or otherwise in the Declaration of Independence. Governments are established to secure the rights of individuals. Stick to laws that secure rights and we have no quarrel.
And since all adultery or sodomite sexual activity is immoral, it should also be illegal.
So is lying. What's your porposal for locking up everyone that ever told a fib?
Well, now we get to the bottom for your deep seeded hatred of the normal and decent among us, of course me included. It's really all about judgment isn't it? You can't stand the fact that there are billions of people worldwide, that look at the totality of the homosexual behavior, and judge it to be grotesque, and abhorrent.
That the billions of people have the audacity to be repelled, repulsed, and nauseated by the acts that define the very existence of the homosexual devotees. Thats really it, they use there God given power of intellect and judge the results based on commonsense. They have the temerity to notice what they perceive as ABNORMAL, and decided, unanimously that this conduct is repugnant, invidious and disgustingly objectionable to normal human behavior. And that pisses you off., well gee, I'm really sorry..
Put some ice on it freak, and slither back under your rock, or better yet, get back into the closet with all of our other well concealed skeletons. Other freaky and sick psychological disorders
We ain't buying your diversity BS, or your hypocritical tolerance crap any longer.. Your definition of tolerance would be laughable if it wasn't so insidious. You would lock all of us up in a heartbeat, for our religious beliefs if you could find two more Supreme Court Justices .. The gravy train is leaving the station as well, you may have finally gone too far, with queer marriage. That one feather in your faggy boa, may have finally tipped the scale..
It is cumulative my demented fiend, this added to the speech codes, and Boy Scouts, and the continuous corruption of our children. Oh, and who can forget the drumbeat of lowering of the legal age of consent of our clean and pure adolescent children, so your love can shatter their dreams, and puncher their pincers..
There was a story on Fox News last night about a Kurdish girl who moved from Iraq to England with her family. She began dressing in western styles, wearing makeup, and took up with a boyfriend... I'm sure you can't connect the dots between that father and your position on dealing with those whose behavior you disapprove of, but the dots are there none the less.
How dare you attempt to compare our disgust of Sodomy to the murder of that poor child.. Do you remember Jesse Dirkhising... remember that child, he didn't even get pity, or outrage, or a airing of the serial killing of children by lovesick gays, or a hearing on CNNNBCCBSABCNPRMSNBCCNBCLIVETIMEDISNEY .. sorry, we gave at the alter of political expediency.. there is no one left to lie to..
Drop dead you sanctimoneous, judgemental ass.
Unlike you, my tolerant FRiend, I don't want you to die, I want you to leave us alone.. That includes or kids, our culture, and our pocket books.. I don't have to wish death on you or your ilk, you buggers are doing a damned good job killing yourselves, only I wish there was a tax on the Gay Deathstyle , similar to that on cigarettes that would offset the billions your love is costing us normal families every day.. Please repent.. there is still time.. I think, I really wouldn't know I'm not all that religious...
Going by the "spirit" of the law is often the first step towards judicial activism. That's where judges get to read into the law what they think it should say.
Where did you find that?
Again, I think your setting a contradictory standard by saying that divorce should only be allowed in case of adultery and then define adultery as mere phone sex or masturbation. I can just imagine the divorce courts if such a rule were adopted. Wildcat wiretaps, spoogey tissues, where would it end?
It is the preferred solution for the wronged spouse to forgive.
It always is. That's the Christian thing to do.
What you are saying is fine for churches that wish to dissolve the bonds holy matrimony among their parishoners. But it makes no sense for civil proceedings in a non-religious legal setting. I don't want to see judges reading through the Bible to decide the law. I'm certainly willing to admit that the NH standard is perhaps set too high, but whatever standard is set has to be based on civil, not biblical, principals.
Biblically the husband's body belongs to the wife and the wife's body belongs to the husband. ANY sexual activity outside of that is adultery. Both phone sex and masturbation are sinful in their own right and both fall under the realm of adultery since they deprive the spouse of what is rightfully theirs.
All the founding fathers principles were based on the bible. If the Bible was good enough for them to base this government on then it's good enough for us to keep basing this government on.
We started getting in trouble (socially and culturally) when we strayed from biblically correct law.
If you want biblically correct laws I recommend you go live in a theocracy, like the Vatican City. The United States of America does not operate, and never has, according to the Mosaic Code.
Correct. But it was founded and operated on a biblically correct system of laws. Remember the bible also includes the New Testament. The founders were Christians and wrote the D of I, the Constitution, and the first laws accordingly
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