[Just another Joe]

Are we talking about smoking or ETS?

I haven't said that there is no risk to smoking. The risk is there like it or not and has been scientifically proven.
With ETS, using the same science techniques, the risk is unproven. If someone doesn't like the smell and doesn't frequent places where tobacco is smoked or an owner of a business decides that they can make more money by going smoke free that's one thing.
To ban the use of tobacco in a privately owned business that is not on govt property under the guise of health due to the dangers of ETS is totally uncalled for and downright disingenuous.
It is the first step, and maybe not even the first step, to total control of the populace through govt intervention.

[Quix]

I don't think it's totally uncalled for. There is troubling evidence.

I don't like the government control implicationis.

I suppose, given the givens, designate a few bars in a locale as smoke filled and be done with it.

I think restaurants are another matter.

I also don't like kids having lower IQ's and shorter lifespans unnecessarily.

Smoking around kids is not doing the loving thing.

My friend C's docs had some SHS data that I think any fair minded person would consider troubling at a minimum.