[CSM]

Good read.

[Scenic Sounds]

"A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths." (Revelation 9:18)

[yoe]

Glad to see Steven Milloy is using Cato, they've repudiated second hand smoke for years as well as global warming, another hoax. Follow the money trail on both, all fraudulent junk science funded by meddlers.

[Timesink]

New York Times fraud alert!

Schadenfreude

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[lainde]

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[paulklenk]

Maybe NYC Mayor Bloomberg should write a letter to the Vatican, objecting to their use of black or white smoke to announce a new Pope.

WE DEMAND A SMOKE-FREE VATICAN!

[Max McGarrity]

If I do nothing else here in The People's Republik of Kookiefornia this year, I plan to get Stan-the-Sham Glantz defunded.

From the NY Times January 19, 2003

Gains on Heart Disease Leave More Survivors, and Questions.

"The numbers have been inching down for decades, but only lately have doctors begun to appreciate how profoundly things have changed for heart attacks and strokes.

"The stereotypical heart attack patient is no longer a man in his 50's who suddenly falls dead. Instead, the typical patient is a man or woman of 70 or older, who survives.

"The decline in smoking rates did not markedly affect heart disease and stroke death rates, said Dr. Lee Goldman, a professor of medicine at the University of California at San Francisco.

"A more important factor, Dr. Goldman said, is that treatment for heart attacks has changed radically."

[Pagey]

BUMP

[nmh]

Haven't heard any traditional doctors refuting it either.

[bjcintennessee]

ping for later.

[lockjaw02]

Someone half jokingly e-mailed me an off-the-cuff remark about this "Helena Miracle". They wrote that this whole "fluctuation" may have been simply an artificial condition that the smoking ban may have created by detering older retired out of towners from venturing into the Helena area casinos and thus causing a reduction in the transient population at higher risk for having AMI's (those damn excitable smoking gamblers). It really got me thinking about the genius in that remark. One has to wonder about the economic effect of the Helena area casinos during that 6 month ban. I have a copy of this study originally posted and quickly removed from the tobaccofreekids.org site and know for a fact the "researchers" did not account for any confounding of this type. Well, lo and behold, tonight, in a quick search, I found this:

http://www.casinoman.net/content/news/newstemplate.asp?artid=420

Helena gaming revenue drops in first quarter of smoking ban

quote/Quarterly gambling revenue collected within the Helena city limits dropped 10 percent compared with a year ago, even though gambling collections were up elsewhere in the county, new state revenue figures show.

But experts say it is too early to say whether Helena's ban on smoking in all public places, including bars and casinos, is responsible for the decline.

"This doesn't prove anything, but it's not inconsistent with people going outside of Helena and gambling," said Paul Polzin, director of the Bureau of Business and Economic Research at the University of Montana. "You'd have to wait until the next quarter to see if there's any trends here. Because with more information, you get more confidence."/quote

and this:

http://www.jointogether.org/sa/news/summaries/reader/0,1854,562620,00.html

Mont. Bill Exempts Casinos from Local Smoking Bans

Sen. Joe Tropila (D-Great Falls) said that since Helena's smoking ban went into effect, businesses in the city have been losing money and jobs are being impacted.

"The people of Helena have every right to do what they want to with the health and welfare of their community, but they don't have the right to tell other people what their property rights are," said Sen. Tom Zook (R-Miles City)./quote

my comments: Estimated 10% reductions in revenues in 1st quarter under the ban? Not inconsistant with people going outside Helena and gambling? Probably less outsiders coming in to town, and more Helena residents heading outside city limits (and away from that specific hospital) to partake in fun and games. Who wudda thunk it?