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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers the Recovery of the "Lady Be Good" crew - Oct. 10th, 2003
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Posted on 10/10/2003 3:31:14 AM PDT by snippy_about_it

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To: Valin
Thanks Valin. I remember seeing that episode. Good find on the pictures.
61 posted on 10/10/2003 9:08:22 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Blame Saint Andreas - it's all his fault.)
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To: snopercod
Thanks for the link Snopercod. I don't think I'd make a good pilot.
62 posted on 10/10/2003 9:09:32 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Blame Saint Andreas - it's all his fault.)
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To: Aeronaut
#57 click on the link
63 posted on 10/10/2003 9:16:24 AM PDT by Valin (I have my own little world, but it's okay - they know me here.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Valin
Great read, Sam. They seemed to have figured out they ran a reciprocal course because they were walking back in the direction of their base. I wonder if they had any idea how far that was. If they had followed the convoy tracks toward Egypt was there a closer base in that direction?

I wonder if this story inspired "The Flight of the Phoenix"? The novel came out in 1964 and the movie in 1965. It's a good movie and is sure had a happier ending than this story.

64 posted on 10/10/2003 9:58:25 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: Valin
Thanks Valin.
65 posted on 10/10/2003 10:15:51 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: colorado tanker
Good afternoon ct, it must have been horrible realizing you weren't going to be found.
66 posted on 10/10/2003 10:17:04 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Horrible is sure the word for it, Sam. Dying of thirst and heat exhaustion would truly be a horrible way to go.
67 posted on 10/10/2003 10:22:53 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: colorado tanker
Horrible is sure the word for it, Sam.

Yep.

Oh my goodness, am I starting to sound like SAM? LOL!

68 posted on 10/10/2003 10:33:27 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
My apologies, Snippy. One gig for lack of attention to detail!

I still wonder at the fact they got so far in a "sand sea." Being in the desert is bad enough, but walking on actual sand dunes is really exhausting, taking much more effort in my experience.

69 posted on 10/10/2003 10:44:11 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: colorado tanker
No problem, gave me a chuckle.

I wonder too how long some stayed in one place before they figured they needed to move away from the wreckage. Terrible way to go, I agree.
70 posted on 10/10/2003 10:58:34 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: colorado tanker
Based on the map showing where they bailed out there was no baes nearby. Their best chance was probably an encounter with an LRDG or SAS group and even that was slim in that area.

"Flight of the Phoenix" was a good flick.
71 posted on 10/10/2003 11:15:32 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Blame Saint Andreas - it's all his fault.)
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To: snippy_about_it; colorado tanker
LOL. See you did such a great job on the thread they can't tell us apart anymore.
72 posted on 10/10/2003 11:16:37 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Blame Saint Andreas - it's all his fault.)
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To: SAMWolf; colorado tanker
can't tell us apart anymore

LOL. Thanks for the compliment but I wouldn't go that far yet. ;)

Cute tagline btw!

73 posted on 10/10/2003 11:24:37 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: colorado tanker
The movie had a happier ending but making the movie didn't. Did you notice after they got back and they came running up the hill cheering and everything, you never saw the plane again after it flew over. Nor did you see it land. It crashed. I am not sure what happened to the guy flying it with the dummies straped on the wings but the plane was totally destroyed.
74 posted on 10/10/2003 12:02:45 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: U S Army EOD
So the stunt pilot died making the movie? RIP. :(
75 posted on 10/10/2003 12:29:03 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: colorado tanker
Am not sure what happened to the pilot but remember reading article on what happened to plane.
76 posted on 10/10/2003 12:31:38 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Feeling my age, but wanting to feel older)
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To: U S Army EOD; colorado tanker
Eerie. Considering what happened to the planes that used parts from the Lady Be Good knowing the plane for the movie crashed is just weird! Now you really can cue up the Twilight Zone music.
77 posted on 10/10/2003 12:51:39 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
"And if any of you have any questions concerning an aircraft and three men who flew her, speak softly of them, and only in the Twilight Zone." - And When the Sky Was Opened (December 11, 1959)


78 posted on 10/10/2003 12:58:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Oddball: "A . . . tank can give you an . . . edge.")
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To: colorado tanker; Valin; SAMWolf

Cue music, press this (.wav)

King Nine and When the Sky was Opened, look at these faces from those two. LOL.
79 posted on 10/10/2003 1:57:09 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
For another story of a B-24 Pilot in Germany please click here: Robert Voight

Air Power
Consolidated B-24 "Liberator"

With over 18,000 aircraft built the Consolidated B-24 Liberator was produced in even greater numbers than the other famous Second World War US bomber, the B-17 Flying Fortress. The Liberator gained a distinguished war record with its operations in the European, Pacific, African and Middle Eastern theaters. One of its main virtues was a long operating range, which led to it being used also for other duties including maritime patrol, antisubmarine work, reconnaissance, tanker, cargo and personnel transport. Winston Churchill used one as his own transport aircraft.

The aircraft was originally designed to a United States Army Air Corps requirement, and the prototype first flew on December 29,1939. Meanwhile, orders for production aircraft had also been received from Great Britain and France, who had tried desperately to build up and modernize their air forces for the war which had been inevitable. However, the Liberator was not available to France by the time of its capitulation, and French-ordered aircraft were diverted to Britain.

Among the first Liberators to go into British service were six used as transatlantic airliners with BOAC, while others went to Coastal Command as patrol aircraft. As production in the States continued to expand, taking in other manufacturers to help build the type, versions appeared with varying armament and other differences. Liberators also found their way into the United States Navy, the Royal Canadian Air Force and the armed forces of other countries. In Europe, Bomber Command of the Royal Air Force concentrated mainly on night bombing, while the United States Army Air Force operated mainly as a day bombing force. On December 4,1942 US Liberators of the 9th Air Force attacked Naples, recording their first raid on Italy, followed on July 19,1943 by the first raid on Rome by 270 Liberators and B-17 Flying Fortresses of the USAAF casualties among the US day bombing forces were high, until the perfection of formation flying and the support of long-range escort fighters. This was well illustrated on August 17,1943 when 59 bombers were shot down while attacking German ball-bearing factories, followed by 60 losses in a similar raid in October. In March 1944 a large force of US Liberators and B-17 Flying Fortresses attacked Berlin in daylight, the first of several such raids.

Incredibly, Liberators are recorded as having dropped over 630,000 tons of bombs, while several thousand enemy aircraft fell to their guns. Some were converted to carry the first US air-to-surface, radar-guided missile, the Bat, and in April 1945 a Bat sank a Japanese naval destroyer. After the war the Liberator continued to serve with the United States forces, notably as an air rescue and weather reconnaissance aircraft with the Coast Guard in the 1950s.

The first major external change of the B-24 lines appeared on the twenty-sixth B-24G, when a new nose was designed to include a power turret containing two .50-cal. guns for frontal protection. This most effective forward arrangement increased the length to 67 feet 2 inches. The Sperry ball turret became standard equipment on this and following models.

The B-24J Liberator was the variation produced in the largest quantity; a total of 6,678 being constructed. It was so similar to the G and H models that the latter were modified to become B-24Js by changing the autopilot and bombsight. Armed with twin .50-cal. Brownings in the nose, upper, lower ball, waist, and tail turrets, a total of 5,200 rounds of ammunition were carried. The top speed of 290 mph was provided by four Pratt & Whitney supercharged R-1830-65's with 1,200 hp each. Cruise was 215 mph and landing speed was 95 mph with its Fowler flaps. Rate of climb was 1,025 feet per minute, and service ceiling was 28,000 feet. Empty, the B-24J weighed 36,500 pounds and grossed out at 56,000 pounds. Maximum range extended 3,700 miles. The Wing span was 110 feet; wing area, 1,048 square feet; length, 67 feet 2 inches; height, 18 feet. Fuel capacity was 3,614 gallons.

The 1,667 B-24Ls and 2,593 B-24M models varied only slightly in armament fixtures from their predecessors. Several B-24s were used as transports under the Air Force designation of C-87 Liberator Express and a few became C-109 fuel tankers.

During 1943 the Allies increased their air attacks on key points in Hitler's Fortress Europe. In July British bombers turned Hamburg into an inferno. Dropping strips of tin foil to confuse the German radar system, the RAF dumped tons of incendiary and high-explosive bombs on the city. When the ten days of sustained raids were over, 70,000 people were dead, and Hamburg as a city had almost ceased to exist.

The Luftwaffe, however, was still able to inflict punishing losses on bombers that attacked strategic targets farther inland, beyond the range of escorting fighters. Almost one-third of the B-24s that made a low level raid on the oil refineries of Ploesti, Rumania in August were shot down. Sixty planes and their crews were lost on August 17 in raids against Schweinfurt and Regensburg, and in October, 148 bombers were lost in six days. The Combined Bomber Offensive was damaging Germany, but the cost was high.

Specifications:
Primary Function: Heavy Bomber
Contractor: Consolidated
Crew: Ten
Powerplants: Four Pratt & Whitney R-1830-43 or -65 fourteen cylinder radial engines at 1,200 hp each

Dimensions:
Length: 67 ft, 2 in (20.47 m)
Wingspan: 110 ft (33.53 m)
Height: 18 ft (5.49 m)
Empty weight: 37,000 lb (16,798 kg)
Maximum Takeoff weight: 65,000 lb (29,510 kg) -- operational

Performance :
Speed: 290 mph (467 km/h)
Ceiling: 28,000 ft (8,540 m)
Range: 2,200 mi (3,540 km)

Armaments:
Six .50-calibre guns;
four .303-in. guns in a Boulton Paul tail turret
internal bomb load of 8,000 lb (3,632 kg) w/ optional external bomb racks






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80 posted on 10/10/2003 2:07:16 PM PDT by Johnny Gage (God Bless President Bush, God Bless our Troops, and GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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