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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Will Rogers Jr. & the Battle for St.Vith (Dec/1944) - Oct. 1st, 2003
www.military.com ^ | Calvin C. Boykin, Jr.

Posted on 10/01/2003 12:00:05 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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"Get me Lieutenant Rogers!"

Son of a famous American entertainer,
Lieutenant Will Rogers, Jr.,
distinguished himself on the battlefields of Europe.


Will Rogers was a man for all seasons -- a Cherokee Indian and a cowboy, a champion roper, a leading master of ceremonies and raconteur, a top box office draw and the writer of a daily newspaper column. Born in the Cherokee Nation in 1879, he traveled far and earned the affection of audiences worldwide before his untimely death in a plane crash near Point Barrow, Alaska, in 1935. To this day, he remains a household name.



Following in the footsteps of his famous humorist father proved challenging for Will Rogers, Jr. Nonetheless, the young Rogers strove mightily to match his father's accomplishments. The eldest of four children, he was born in 1911 in New York City while his father was performing with the Ziegfeld Follies.

After graduating from Beverly Hills High School, Rogers attended Stanford University, where he edited an off-campus newspaper, captained the polo team, served on the debating team and set a backstroke swimming record. At college graduation in 1935, Rogers was commissioned a second lieutenant of field artillery. Letting his commission lapse, he purchased The Beverly Hill Citizen newspaper and covered the Spanish Civil War as a correspondent during 1936 and 1937.

Patriotic Duty


Rogers' response to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor was twofold. First, as a Democrat he filed for a seat in the 78th Congress, representing the 16th Congressional District of California. Second, he enlisted as a private in the Army. After Officer Candidate School training at Camp Roberts, Calif., Rogers was again commissioned a second lieutenant of field artillery. He was posted to Camp Hood, Texas, where tank-destroying weapons were being developed and units trained.


Congressman Will Rogers, Jr., ca. 1943-1944


Election to Congress required Rogers to leave active service. While in Congress he served on the Foreign Affairs Committee, visited England during the Blitz and helped write the Soldier Voting Bill. Once again seeking military service, however, he resigned from Congress in May 1944 and received reinstatement to active duty and his third commissioning as a second lieutenant. Pressing for combat duty, Rogers was attached to the 814th Tank Destroyer Battalion, which had reached England in mid-February 1944.

Mr. Rogers Goes To England


Activated on May 22, 1942, at Camp Polk, La., under the command of Colonel Severen T. Wallace, the battalion had moved to Camp Bowie, Texas, then to Camp Hood, where specialized individual and unit training prepared the soldiers to "seek, strike and destroy." At Camp Hood the 750-man battalion came under the command of Lt. Col. Robert Bruce Jones, a Georgia attorney and reserve officer. The 814th completed maneuvers in Louisiana in late 1943.

When it reached England, the 814th, equipped with 36 M10 tank destroyers, constituted a powerful anti-tank force. The M10 was diesel-powered and thinly armored, with an open-topped turret based on a standard Sherman M4A3 medium tank chassis. It was highly mobile and sported a 3-inch anti-aircraft gun. The Reconnaissance Company's main weapon was the Greyhound M8 light armored car, equipped with a 37mm gun and a coaxially mounted .30-caliber machine gun, while Headquarters Company had the M20 armored car, equipped with a .50-caliber machine gun.


M10 with 3" Gun
3in GMC M10 - Over 6000 were built in the USA. The British version was called the Wolverine. The basis was the M2A3/4 tank chasis. The hull was sloped and the turrent was partially counter-balanced. The M7 gun had a flat trajectory and was extremely accurate. This exceptional fighting vehicle saw action throughout the ETO.


Second Lieutenant Will Rogers, Jr., arrived shortly before the 814th moved from the English Midlands to a marshaling area on England's southern coast. Word spread that Will Rogers' son had joined the battalion, and many of the 814th gathered to watch him take command of 1st Platoon, Reconnaissance Company. The troops had a deep respect for Will Rogers, although they wondered whether his son could handle a combat leadership role.

Big Shoes To Fill


The 814th acted as service troops in England during the Normandy invasion in June 1944, but their time came in August, when they loaded up on LSTs (landing ships, tank). On August 8, 1944, the 814th landed at Utah Beach, and on August 11 the battalion was attached to the 7th Armored Division, part of General George Patton's Third Army. Major General Lindsay MacDonald Silvester, commander of the 7th Armored, split the 814th among his three combat commands, and the division began its advance across France. On numerous occasions, Rogers' 1st Platoon was assigned to lead the armor in the breakout from the hedgerows of Normandy


The M8 light armored car was the only armored car used by the US Army in combat during World War II. Originally developed for the Tank Destroyer force. Approx. 420 M8 armored cars were used primarily by Bn Recon Co.
A command and utility version of the M8, the M20 armored utility car, also saw extensive use during the war.


When the artillery of the 7th Armored fired on the city of Chartres, the order was passed down to spare its historic sites. Many former members of the 814th believe that the word to spare the Chartres cathedral came from none other than Lieutenant Rogers.

Touring Historic France


After reaching the World War I battlefields of Château-Thierry and Verdun, Patton's Third Army ran out of fuel. Members of the 814th Tank Destroyer Battalion later related how, encouraged by Rogers, some soldiers took advantage of this interlude to tour the historic site. They first visited the American Cemetery at St. Mihiel, then moved on to La Tranchée des Batonettes, where a trench cave-in during the Battle of Verdun had left no trace of the French soldiers in it save for their bayonets. Leading his reconnaissance platoon on patrol over a road through the World War I battlefield, replete with shell-pocks, trenches and barbed wire, Rogers conducted an impromptu history lesson over his radio. As he was explaining how a million men fell in the conflict between the French and the Germans, the sharp bark of his task force commander interrupted him: "Lieutenant Rogers -- let's fight one war at a time!"


Lieutenant Rogers and one of his noncommissioned officers, Sergeant Dwayne Deutcher, survey the French countryside. (Courtesy of Michael Deutcher)


When it was once again able to advance, the 7th Armored Division, including the 814th Tank Destroyer Battalion, suffered heavy losses in its attempts to take the fortress city of Metz on the Moselle River. Relieved by the 5th Infantry Division, the 7th Armored was attached to the First Army and, on September 25, began convoying to an assembly area near Maastricht, Holland.



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To: Light Speed
Uh.. I don't think that's a MIG.

I think its a P-39 airacobra. This plane was the "early version" of what became the P-51 Mustang.

I did an Air Power on that one a while back. Many of the P-39's went to Russia during the war.



41 posted on 10/01/2003 8:31:40 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (Laugh, and the world laughs with you.. Cry and the world looks sheepish, and remembers other plans)
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To: Darksheare
Morning Darksheare.
42 posted on 10/01/2003 8:31:46 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: Valin
1942 Bell P-59 Airacomet fighter, 1st US jet, makes maiden flight


43 posted on 10/01/2003 8:35:21 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: Johnny Gage; Light Speed
Good morning and thank you both for your posts today at the Foxhole. Tanks and planes. Woo-hoo.
44 posted on 10/01/2003 8:36:30 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: w_over_w
LOL. Good morning w/w.
45 posted on 10/01/2003 8:37:41 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I also now know what an M8 Greyhound is, (I believe I was firing those in SP, no wonder the Germans were destroying them). LOL.

LOL! M8 taking on Panthers is not a good idea. Run Away! Run Away!

Sounds like something you'd do!

:-) Yep, I've been known to do that.

46 posted on 10/01/2003 8:37:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: bentfeather
Good morning feather.
47 posted on 10/01/2003 8:38:11 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
Yep, and the US has had a habit of backing it up.
48 posted on 10/01/2003 8:38:45 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: SAMWolf
Have "fun" in "kindergarten" today. :-)

LOL. I try!

49 posted on 10/01/2003 8:39:17 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Run Away!

I didn't have a chance to retreat! I wasn't french so I couldn't surrender. I just got blown away. LOL.

50 posted on 10/01/2003 8:43:55 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Johnny Gage
Hi Johnny.

It is a Mig...Mig 3..which had several variants.



The image angle is deceptive..as it does look a bit like an Aircobra.

Russian YAK 9 can look like Mig 3 from certain angles aswell.

51 posted on 10/01/2003 8:45:09 AM PDT by Light Speed (Working on driving slower than Israeli's still)
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To: SAMWolf
You do great work Sam. thanks
52 posted on 10/01/2003 8:47:52 AM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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To: Johnny Gage
Thanks Johnny. Everytime I see the P-47 I'm amazed that tit could fly, it's sorta like the "bumblebee" of the Aircraft world.









With over 210 bullet holes in his P-47 Thunderbolt, and various personal wounds, pilot Bob Johnson is seen limping back to base after a confrontation with sixteen FW-190's. During this lonely and sobering trip he encountered another FW-190 who kindly escorted him to the English Channel, but not before he emptied every one of his 7.9 mm rounds into Johnson's plane!

53 posted on 10/01/2003 8:52:21 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: w_over_w
When I was stationed in Germany, I took a trip to the Bulge battlefields. In La Gleize, Belguim there's a King Tiger that was left behind when Peiper's Kampgruppe withdrew, they destroyed it because it was out of gas. The front glacis plate if full of dents and there where at least two shells imbedded in it that failed to penetrate.

One shell is under the MG and one is right in the center where the two front plates come together.

54 posted on 10/01/2003 8:59:30 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: Light Speed
Morning Light Speed. Love seeing pics of German Armor. Thanks
55 posted on 10/01/2003 9:00:22 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All
Morning Snippy..Sam..all.

WW-2 is an intersting study as aviation goes..so many designs tried....some worked to 12 generation mods..others ...best copy attempt by certain nations.

Russia was able to fudge certain elements from British and U.S. aircraft design....MIG 3 certainly shows this.
Some elements are Similar to the British Spitfire...and U.S. Aircobra.

Moving up to recent times...the U.S. tested a forward wing in the X-29.
Russia startled the aviation world a few years back with SU 47/37 Berkut..their *testbed attempt at a 5th generation fighter.


Shades of "Firefox"....."Gant..can you fly that plane"?

56 posted on 10/01/2003 9:00:31 AM PDT by Light Speed (Working on driving slower than Israeli's still)
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To: bentfeather
Hi Feather.
57 posted on 10/01/2003 9:01:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Morning.
Now what is this netgame you two been playing that deals with M8's and Panthers in a rather one sided matchup?
And where can I find it, I gotta spectate on it if it has such an option.
58 posted on 10/01/2003 9:01:09 AM PDT by Darksheare (This taglines exploits men, women, children, minorities, majorities, pets, and naked mole rats.)
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To: Light Speed
Wow, very interesting, I didn't know that

I'm wondering if they got the blueprints for the P-39 and then built their own under the Mig and Yak monikers.
59 posted on 10/01/2003 9:01:35 AM PDT by Johnny Gage (Laugh, and the world laughs with you.. Cry and the world looks sheepish, and remembers other plans)
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To: Johnny Gage; Light Speed

That might be a Mig-3, it looked pretty close to the P-39. It's hard to tell for sure from the angle in the picture.

60 posted on 10/01/2003 9:06:13 AM PDT by SAMWolf (You're so vain I bet you think this tagline's about you...)
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