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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles Veterans in Congress - Sep. 21st, 2003
Air Force Association ^ | February 1995 | John T. Correll, Editor in Chief

Posted on 09/21/2003 12:00:28 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
.

FReepers from the Foxhole join in prayer
for all those serving their country at this time.


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Veterans are a diminishing minority.
What most people know of the military they've heard from their fathers or otherwise gotten secondhand.


In 1951, New York Giants center fielder Willie Mays was the National League's rookie of the year. The following season he wore a different uniform. Like many others of his generation from all walks of life, he had been inducted into the Army. Among those soldiering the same year as Willie Mays was a future senator of some note, PFC Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts. Later on--with several gold records already behind him--Elvis Presley did his hitch, too.



It was a time when virtually all men who could serve in the armed forces did serve. Those who didn't were more pitied than envied. Draftees were out in two years. Recruits stayed at least four years but got a better choice of duty and training. Most veterans were proud of the experience. A great many of them regarded it as an important part of their personal development.



Things changed in 1973 with the coming of the all-volunteer force, which did more than end the military draft. It also brought to a close what had been a major rite of passage that celebrities and the sons of the rich and the famous shared with the rest of us. After 1973, men reaching age eighteen were no longer pushed toward service by the draft or by cultural norms. The volunteer force set up a major shift in the demographics of the nation.



Military service peaked during the mobilization for World War II. Accordingly, seventy-six percent of American men today between the ages of seventy and seventy-four are veterans. By contrast, less than a tenth of men under age thirty are veterans. With conscription abolished and the armed forces getting smaller, veterans are a diminishing minority. For the most part, what young people know of military service they will have heard from their fathers, seen in the movies, or otherwise gained secondhand.



  • Over the past two centuries, forty-one million persons have served the nation in war. Most of them, about eighty-five percent, served in one of the major conflicts of the twentieth century. World War II alone accounted for forty percent of all who have served in American forces throughout history.
  • Some of those who served did not survive to join the ranks of veterans. In the two world wars, Korea, and Vietnam, for example, 613,727 American military members lost their lives. (Another 1,132,435 sustained wounds that were not mortal.)

  • At present, twenty-nine percent of the nation's civilian men age eighteen or older are veterans. The current population of living American veterans is 26.5 million. Since 1993, the number of Vietnam-era veterans, now 31.2 percent of the total, has exceeded the number of living World War II veterans. The average veteran is 56.6 years old. About 4.4 percent of all veterans are women.

  • While the population of veterans is decreasing, the number of military retirees is increasing. This trend reflects the large standing forces of the postwar period and a greater representation of career people in the force. The current military retired population is 1.555 million. This year, for the first time, the number of retirees will surpass the number of persons serving on active duty (1.526 million). Since 1972, the service accounting for the largest share of retirees (36.5 percent) has been the Air Force, which has 164,882 officer and 403,182 enlisted retirees.

  • In the new 104th Congress, 39.26 percent of the members are veterans, compared with 44.3 percent in the departing 103d Congress. Military experience is more prevalent in the Senate, where fifty-four percent of the members have served in the armed forces, than in the House of Representatives, where thirty-six percent have served. One surprise is that more freshman members of the 104th Congress are veterans (21.65 percent) than was the case with the 103d (18.52 percent).

The percentage of veterans in Congress can be expected to deteriorate with each passing election. Elsewhere in government, the representation has deteriorated already. According to John Wheeler, a Vietnam veteran who campaigned for the Clinton-Gore ticket, only four percent of male staff members in the Executive Office of the President in June 1994 were veterans.



The military still rates higher than other institutions in national attitude polls, but that could change. News coverage of the armed forces emphasizes waste, mistakes, and scandal. The entertainment industry depicts the military as bumbling, corrupt, and depraved. When people do not have experience on which to base their judgments, images delivered by the news and entertainment media can have a powerful influence.



It does not follow automatically that no one except veterans can understand the military and military people. As the percentage of veterans continues to decline and fewer Americans have military experience, however, the nation's leaders have an added responsibility. They must try harder to understand.



It is not simply a matter of tradition or a footnote in historical trivia. The decline of national military experience marks a gradual but fundamental change in the relationship between the armed forces and the society they serve. That is an issue of national security.

Thanks to FReeper Calvinist_Dark_Lord for the idea for this thread



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To: Victoria Delsoul
Afternoon Victoria, beautiful painting, I could live in a cabin there!
41 posted on 09/21/2003 2:57:50 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Click...click...click...damn, out of taglines!)
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To: SAMWolf
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul
Member of Congress, 14th District of Texas

Congressman Ron Paul of Texas
Ron Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the 1960s.
42 posted on 09/21/2003 3:02:44 PM PDT by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: snippy_about_it
Afternoon Snippy, so glad you liked it. Thanks so much.

43 posted on 09/21/2003 3:03:05 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The Tombot's motto is: "I'm opposed to whatever Arnold says, and most definitely against it")
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To: SAMWolf
Hi Sam. I know, the scenery is gorgeous. I'd love to go there just for the weekends.
44 posted on 09/21/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The Tombot's motto is: "I'm opposed to whatever Arnold says, and most definitely against it")
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To: larryjohnson
Thanks larryjohnson. I just noticed that I have Texas listed and there's no one under it. DUH!!

Don't know how I missed that.

Texas

Representative Ralph Hall joined the U.S. Navy on December 10, 1942, and served as an aircraft carrier pilot during World War II.

Representative Sam Johnson began his 29 year career in the U.S. Air Force, where he served as director of the Air Force Fighter Weapons School and flew with the Air Force Thunderbirds precision flying demonstration team. In Korea he flew F-86s in 62 combat missions. In 1966, Johnson's F-4 was shot down over North Vietnam and he spent nearly seven years as a Prisoner of War. Three of those years were spent in solitary confinement. He was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legions of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross, one Bronze Star with Valor, two Purple Hearts, four Air Medals, and three Outstanding Unit Awards. He retired from the Air Force in 1979.

Representative Solomon Ortiz Representative Ron Paul served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s.

Representative Silvestre Reyes served in the US Army from 1966 to 1968 including a tour in Vietnam where he reached the rank of Sergeant.

My apologies to Texas.

45 posted on 09/21/2003 3:38:44 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Click...click...click...damn, out of taglines!)
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To: All
Texas

Representative Solomon Ortiz served in the US Army including a tour with the 61st Military Police Company, Criminal Investigation Office.

46 posted on 09/21/2003 3:41:13 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Click...click...click...damn, out of taglines!)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Good Waaaaaaaaaay afternoon.
Sorry for being out this long.
Errands and such.
Ugh!
47 posted on 09/21/2003 3:49:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (It's all part of a vast Rightwing Tagline Conspiracy.)
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To: Darksheare
Thanks okay, not much going on, pretty quiet Sunday around FR today.
48 posted on 09/21/2003 3:50:59 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
That's pretty much par for the course for today, yes.
Got back to find someone cannot understand english and is misrepresenting what I said on another thread.
Hopefully he actually reads what I said and gets a clue.
Not likely though.
*chuckle*
49 posted on 09/21/2003 3:53:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (It's all part of a vast Rightwing Tagline Conspiracy.)
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To: Darksheare
Some people just read too fast and don't slow down enough to pay attention before they reply. I know you'll do fine at straightening it out.
50 posted on 09/21/2003 3:59:05 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
*Snerggle*
For some reason there seems to be a translation dialation field where I can write in plain english and the guy on the other end seems to refuse to understand what's being said.

Has happened before at more than one time, and I never understand what is so difficult.
*scratches head*
Do fine at straightening it out..
I usually end up somehow watching it get much worse.
Much, much worse.
51 posted on 09/21/2003 4:05:17 PM PDT by Darksheare (It's all part of a vast Rightwing Tagline Conspiracy.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Re Bingaman the junior senator of New Mexico:

He allowed Clinton to put Charlie Trie on the Bingaman Commission to Beijing.

Trie had just dumped a half mill in illegal donations on Middleton's White House desk.

During Taiwan crisis of 1996 Trie's "Dear President" letter (pages 112-3 Gertz Year of the Rat) blackmailed Clinton to back off the carriers or lose ChiCom dough.

Bingaman blocked access to staffer Stephen C. Clemons' incriminating letter vis a vis Trie appointment to Bingaman Commission.

I spoke of it on conference call with two of Burton's counsels: pure protocol prevented access: House (Burton) could not force Senate (Bingaman) to produce documents.

Anne Bingaman (after crucifying Bill Gates, leading engine of US GDP) made record two mill lobbying FCC behalf of Global Crossing.

Global Crossing dumped to turn McAuliffe's 100K into eighteen mill.

Global Crossing bought by Li Ka-shing of Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., a PLAN crony.

Bingaman and wife are dangerous to the Republic.

There is no sign his service prevented him from participating in the Clinton butchery of the military, cutting divisions in half, ships in half, air wings in half, while also cutting counterintelligence and counterterrorism to Boy Scouts escorting old ladies across street.

Mere service is not a good indicator: Kerry was more inspired in his Hanoi Jane in drag routine, Clark provided the fifteen pieces of armor and the enlisted personnel and the CS/Methyl Chloride to kill 80 US citizens including women and children.

Clark also killed 2,000 citizens in the Kosovo wag the dog, which gave Russia an F-117, gave China a foreign devil (Embassy bombing), almost started WWIII (ordering Jackson to attack the Russians at Pristina, so depleted the cruise missile stocks as to cause the conversion of the only 500 nuclear cruise missiles, distracted from the Cox Report and Impeachment.

I am all for our U.S. legislators serving, and so have drafted H Res 1010-321 calling for the Selective Service Administration to conscript all 535 U.S. legislators the first business day in October 2004 and send them into Tikrit.

Senator Clinton and Senator Schumer will walk point--but without those nasy assault rifles the other troops carry.

Blood of tyrants takes on a new connotation.

52 posted on 09/21/2003 11:27:43 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Good Evening PhilDragoo.

You're right, serving doesn't guarantee respect for the military or our government. It's interesting though to see how the numbers have declined though. With the all volunteer force those numbers will decline even more.
53 posted on 09/21/2003 11:55:56 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Click...click...click...damn, out of taglines!)
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